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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:01 pm
I can post a new topic in here, right? ninja
So, Zuko's (And Azula's) mother. We know she cared a lot for Zuko, and was beginning to become wary of Azula's unusual behavior. And we know that she disappeared years ago around the same time that Lord Azulan passed and Ozai was crowned as the new Fire Lord. But do we know what happened to her? Was she killed? and if so, by who and for what? Or did she just run away? And why did she leave Zuko behind if she wanted to protect him?
Theories or thoughts?
There's also that rumor floating around that Zuko is going to go out on a search for his mother some time in this season. So does that mean that she's likely still alive out there, maybe in hiding? Thoughts on that?
Is it possible that we could see her later on in the season? Or at least have some sort of closure about what happened to her?
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:47 pm
Yay Ursa! Even though she was only in one episode, I still love her.
I'm really curious about whta happened to her. I can clearly recall hearing footsteps in the background when she was talking to Zuko...
Ooh! Idea! Maybe it was Ozai coming to Zuko's room to kill him, as Azulon told him to, but Ursa refused to let him. Maybe, she told Ozai to sacrifice her, his beloved, instead of her first born son.
I'm actually hoping I'm wrong, because I would so love to see a Zuko/Ursa reunion this season. Then he can take her back to the Firenation palace and Katara can meet her. :3
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:43 pm
Yeah, Katara and Ursa would probably get along pretty well, wouldn't they? Ursa'd probably become a mother figure to her! Now I really, really hope she's alive... whee
And that's an interesting theory, I'll have to watch that episode again and listen for footsteps. I can't imagine what must have been going on in Ozai's head if he in fact did that...Killing your own son, or your wife? Just for power? That's just messed up. I'm starting to dislike him even more now! >.<
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:51 am
Teh_Sheba Yeah, Katara and Ursa would probably get along pretty well, wouldn't they? Ursa'd probably become a mother figure to her! Now I really, really hope she's alive... whee
And that's an interesting theory, I'll have to watch that episode again and listen for footsteps. I can't imagine what must have been going on in Ozai's head if he in fact did that...Killing your own son, or your wife? Just for power? That's just messed up. I'm starting to dislike him even more now! >.< Yeah, I wanna see Katara and Ursa meet. It'd be pretty cool. :3 Plus, then Ursa can convince Katara that Zuko really is a good person, as well as tell her about all the cute things he did as a kid.
Yeah, it'd be a hard choice. Though, with Ozai, I'm not sure it would be... I mean, he burnt off half his son's face because he poke out of turn, so who's to say he wouldn't hesitate to kill his own wife?
Ozai, why do you have to be cruel? Dx now you have a psychopathic daughter and turmoil ridden son.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:24 am
Ok, I think I have a theory on my hands.
I thought this up while at work last weekend after watching "Sokka's Master", though at the time it was mainly wishful thinking, and stemmed from some fantasy of mine that Ursa ran away and joined some secret rebellion group...but you know, the more I think about it, the more I think it could really happen.
Ok, here goes. What if: Ursa is in with the White Lotus society? What if they are hiding her out? And what if the Gaang meet her when they eventually find more out about the WL? And, furthermore, what happens when Zuko's there as well??
I also saw one of my friends, greenifyme on DeviantArt expressing this same theory, but going a step further, like so: The following is her part of the theory. Perhaps, Ursa killed Azulon, then had to run, and is now under the White Lotus's protection.
This theory is starting to make a lot of sense. I'm sure that the White Lotus society wasn't brought up by the Master at this point in the story for no good reason. The White Lotus could be one of those elusive, seemingly unimportant plot devices that come in later with a great deal of importance. Up until Sokka's recieving the tile, it was basically just a hobby or an old interest of Iroh, but now...I am sure that it's going to play an important role in the upcoming episodes, and this could be it.
"You can always find a friend..." Seems to me like this group is quite enthusiastic about helping their own. We saw it with Iroh and Zuko when they helped them get out of the desert, with fake identities as refugees...And now Sokka has a friend, one who doesn't seem to care that he's of the water tribe, nor that he's travelling with none other than the Avatar. Even though he could probably get a lofty reward were he to provide information to the authorities. Perhaps they are looking out for a Fire Lady gone assassin as well?
As for her actually killing Azulon, Greenifyme provided this little bit of the show to consider. (I'm currently going on what she wrote, I need to see that part of the episode again, myself...) When Azulon was talking to Ozai, saying that he(Ozai) needed to learn the suffering of losing a son, while Azula is watching from behind the curtain, there is a flash of light from a fire. Could this be Ursa offing the old man for suggesting the murder of her son? Can Ursa fire-bend? It would fit in with her telling him, "everything I did was to protect you," perhaps she meant killing Azulon, though I'm not sure how that would assuredly save Zuko...
And you know, it begs the question, does Iroh know where Ursa is? If she's involved with the White Lotus, does Iroh know about it and where to find her? Maybe he was the one who got her in? And will Iroh tell Zuko?
So, now I'm thinking that the episode "The Runaway" Could either be Zuko's finally running off to find Ursa, as was my original theory, or it could be what happened to Ursa herself, possibly with Zuko leaving at some point for the same reasons. I'm thinking that maybe he finds some sort of clue that she's still alive, and he becomes determined to find her. I actually had this little vision in my mind of him perhaps finding a Pai Sho White Lotus tile, maybe buried or somehow hidden around the little pond where he and his mother sat and fed the Turtleducks, as if she left it there for him to find later in life, for him to figure out...or, you know, something like that. sweatdrop But I'm sure that Mike and Bryan, the evil geniuses, can come up with something much better^^
OMG, I'm so wordy, WTH. Sorry for the lengthiness, I just had to get this out! Ursa lives!! domokun
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:48 am
=o
OMG. I love this theory. It makes perfect sense, and is completely plausible. I really hope you're right, 'cause I wanna know that the hell happened to her. Dx And I want Zuko to finally see her again, possibly getting some sense knocked into him in the process.
If this is true, I will forever love the White Lotus Society. <3
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:02 am
gyah, I know, I'm so excited now! I even have the urge to do some Ursa-White Lotus fanart! whee
I'd love to see the Gaang's reaction to seeing Zuko there, whenever they meet Ursa, along with Zuko's reaction to them being there. and when they find out that OMG, she's the fire lady!! I wonder when it will happen though...Augh, the waiting this season is gonna kill me!
And you know, once Zuko finds Ursa, he'll probably have a much better moral compass to go by then he does now with just his dad. So, consequently, change will be nigh!! Of course, he could have listened to Iroh..*mutter-mutter* Oh, man, I hope this theory's right!
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:21 am
Teh_Sheba gyah, I know, I'm so excited now! I even have the urge to do some Ursa-White Lotus fanart! whee
I'd love to see the Gaang's reaction to seeing Zuko there, whenever they meet Ursa, along with Zuko's reaction to them being there. and when they find out that OMG, she's the fire lady!! I wonder when it will happen though...Augh, the waiting this season is gonna kill me!
And you know, once Zuko finds Ursa, he'll probably have a much better moral compass to go by then he does now with just his dad. So, consequently, change will be nigh!! Of course, he could have listened to Iroh..*mutter-mutter* Oh, man, I hope this theory's right! Yeah, it'd be pretty neat to see how the gaang reacts to Ursa and Zuko. Though, I think I'm actually more interested in Zuko's reaction when/if he finds his mom. I'm hoping for a tearful reunion.
I know. A week is too long to wait!
Yeah, he'll hopefully learn a bit more common sense, or at least listen to his own heart, rather than his father's wants.
I hope so too!
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:38 pm
rachaella22 Teh_Sheba gyah, I know, I'm so excited now! I even have the urge to do some Ursa-White Lotus fanart! whee
I'd love to see the Gaang's reaction to seeing Zuko there, whenever they meet Ursa, along with Zuko's reaction to them being there. and when they find out that OMG, she's the fire lady!! I wonder when it will happen though...Augh, the waiting this season is gonna kill me!
And you know, once Zuko finds Ursa, he'll probably have a much better moral compass to go by then he does now with just his dad. So, consequently, change will be nigh!! Of course, he could have listened to Iroh..*mutter-mutter* Oh, man, I hope this theory's right! Yeah, it'd be pretty neat to see how the gaang reacts to Ursa and Zuko. Though, I think I'm actually more interested in Zuko's reaction when/if he finds his mom. I'm hoping for a tearful reunion.
I know. A week is too long to wait!
Yeah, he'll hopefully learn a bit more common sense, or at least listen to his own heart, rather than his father's wants.
I hope so too!One thing's for sure, if he hasn't changed and decided what he wants by the time he meets her again, he will when he does. His mother could serve as the final catalyst to his change. Though I am hoping that Katara plays a little more part in it... ninja
And yeah, I'm definitely imagining a tearful reunion, too! With motherly hugging as well. FINALLY, someone has needed to hug that boy for the whole series!
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:32 am
OMG. I think I've figured it out.
I had a thought today at work, and I think she DID kill Azulon. That or at least played a part in it.
Think about it. In Zuko Alone, which is basically the only place we see her... When Zuko's attacked by the Turtleduck mother, she tells him that if you attack the baby, the mother will come right back and bite you back. As did the Turtleduck.
Ok, symbolism/foreshadowing much? Azulon threatened Zuko, so Ursa attacked back before he, or rather, Ozai, would have a chance to actually hurt her son!! The creators said that everything that happened back in the first 2 seasons happened for a reason...I'm thinking that this was a hint!
The way I see it, after she takes Azula from Zuko's room, she takes her to her father, or something, however their family does discipline *thinks of poor Zuzu and shudders to think* She tells him what happened, that Azula was teasing Zuko about "Dad's gonna kill you," only to find that it's more or less, true, on Lord Azulon's orders. Ursa is shocked and appalled, and thus we have a perfect alchemy for her murdering Azulon in order to protect Zuko. And, of course, after the fact, she won't be able to stick around, and she'll need protection. Enter Iroh, her link to the White Lotus. Seeing as how this is what, just after the war? Iroh is probably still distressed about losing his own son, he probably won't want to see it happen to his nephew and sister-in-law. He may already have seen Zuko as sort of a son at this point. In fact, maybe Iroh made a promise to her to keep an eye on Zuko's safety when she's gone!!( I hope so, that'd be awesome...) Because, even if she killed Azulon, Ozai may have still had plans to kill Zuko after his father gave the order to him...Her killing Azulon alone wouldn't have gaurenteed Zuko's saftey...
And you know, those footsteps that you heard in the scene where she leaves Zuko, that got me thinking as well. maybe, it was Iroh coming to see her off to safety after she said goodbye to Zuko!
Though I'm not sure if Iroh was there during this particular time, but hey, I can dream, right? And if not Iroh, the footsteps may have been some other WL escort...
eek Holy Carp.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:58 am
=o Can I have your brain? Because it is genius and comes up with awesome theories.
This makes perfect sense! I can see totally see it happening, especially with the whole turtle-duck symbolism thing.
Kyaaa~! I can't wait to see Ursa again!
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:18 am
o: Oh noes, my brains! Sorry, I kind of need that for college ^^;
I can't wait to see her either!! I'm so dang excited now, this theory is actually kind of drowning away my Maiko worries... Besides, I get the feeling that the new development with Sokka will lead him and the Gaang to her, along with Zuko on his quest to find her, and when those two arcs collide, boom! Instant Katara-Zuko interaction. biggrin
So maybe it's going to be Ursa that brings the Gaang and Zuko, and furthermore, Zuko and Katara, together! w00t! And Iroh will be on the sidelines, cheering them on and thinking of grandbabies! ^^
And I really hope that Iroh's in on it as well. That would be. so. full. of. win. I can't stress that enough. *le gasp* Maybe it'll be Iroh who leads the Gaang to Ursa and the White Lotus? Gyah, I'm on a speculating spree!! gonk rofl
Actually I kind of like the thought of Sokka trying to play Pai Sho, and you know, with the mad skill that is Sokka, somehow figure out the White Lotus campaign. Thus letting them in to the society^^
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:32 am
Yeah, I really hope this new development brings everyone together. I mean, something has to happen, right? They need to resolve their problems in some way, that way they can all move on and be less emotionally burdened.
Oh, Iroh's gotta be in on it. He just to be. And if he's not, the White Lotus Society has to lead the gaang to him.
I'd love it if Sokka figured everything out and got them into the society.
On another note, I kind of expect Zuko to be a bit mad at Ursa when he first gets reuninted with her. You know, thinking she abandonned him and what not. Of course, they'd still end up hugging and having tearful confessions, there'd just be a bit of conflict at the beginning.
Oh, and the gaang should be there to see Zuko reunited with his mother. Then Katara can see that he actually has a heart of gold. <3
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:56 am
Yes, I can totally understand that Zuko'd be hurt. She did leave him, and then look what happened to him! He was burned, banished, and named a fugitive, all by his own father! And that's not including anything that could happen to him between now and the reunion! I can perfectly see him asking her, at the very least, "Why'd you leave me?" Or maybe even, "Why didn't you take me with you?" She'll explain her story, the fangirls will geekasm, and Zuko will finally break down. And the fangirls will geekasm all over again.
Maybe Ursa will even help and encourage Katara and friends to see the good in him. Like I said, I really get the feeling that Ursa may just be their bridge. She may just be the bridge to Zutara. *foams* Oh, man, there's just so much that can happen with this theory!! *foams again*
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:14 pm
Poor guy, always getting tortured. Dx
Yeah, I picture him asking her something along those lines, too. And I'd totally squee/cry when Ursa explains her story Zuko finally breaks down.
Ursa and Iroh are definately the two people who would convince the gaang to see the good in Zuko. And they probably ship Zutara too. xD
*foams along with you*
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