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So, we've all seen the posts in here quoting the Bible as proof to back a claim. The question is, does it qualify as actual proof? Apparently, the majority of us don't believe so, but there are supporters of both sides. So, let's examine it in full, right here, so we won't keep arguing about it in other threads.

I realize that not everyone here is religious. I know I'm not. We believe the Bible doesn't constitute real proof because it's steeped in falsehoods and contradictions. Compared to science, it holds no ground. Beliefs can't be proven or disproven, and that makes them difficult to argue, whether for or against. They have to be taken largely in faith.

As far as debates go, I don't think beliefs should be used as a basis for argument, because there's nothing to argue. You can't prove whether or not a belief is wrong. There's no winner in an argument based on faith. Neither side is going to give any ground. Perhaps that's why some people rely on using beliefs to back their claims, because they know it's impossible to lose.

In any case, I don't think the Bible should be used as evidence when attempting to argue a point. If it were based on more than just faith, it'd be a different story, but as I've said, beliefs can't be argued against, and that ruins the entire premise of having a debate.

I believe that evolution and/or the bible should only be used in a debate where neither side of the said debate can be proven.

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[Hmmm. I'm not sure because most people who use the bible in debate, that I have encountered, always attack the other person instead of debating so it turns into a huge fight instead of debate.

Personally I think if you can use it in an acceptable way that makes sense and that is not attacking the other and actually debating the subject then go right ahead.]

I think it should be allowed. I mean, your opinions are based on your beliefs, right? whatever it may be. The only problem I have with it, is that people who debate from a completely religious point of view, often don't really know their material. The main reason I personally hate all religions is the brain washing factor. When you finally stopped just taking the preacher's word for it and do the research yourself, that's what it needs to come down to for debates on your religious POV. You need to know ALL the facts and conditions. Not just a verse or two.

And also the fact is that people who have already been 'brain washed' as it were, get easily offended and angered. They like others to see what they think(or have been taught to think), but freak out if someone tries to counter it.

And the reason I think people even join religions is because they're too lazy to think for themselves and would rather be told what to think. Not that everyone is. Many debaters and religion followers from all points of view really know their stuff. But the laziness thing is my personal experience with religions.

But that's a whole 'nother debate... ^^;

Point is, it should be allowed like any other source, but people who use their source better know it well and be prepared to be countered.

Math is fact. There's no denying math. 2+2=4. Science that is based solely on math is irrefutable, assuming the calculations are correct. Science that is based on something other than math (like evolution) is open for debate, of course. That's why the final step in any scientific endeavor is to prove it mathematically, so it becomes an undeniable fact.

As a side note, who the hell still believes the world is flat? Introduce me to them so I can fire them into space to see for themselves.

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I think it should be allowed.

I don't think people who post their "opinions", that are based on what they've learned through their religion, post because they want to start an arguement over religion. They are just giving their point of view on the situation. Anyone who can't sit and read someone's point without jumping on them should leave.

If someone can't use their beliefs in their points, then this forum isn't going to go anywhere.

-Agrees with Kyle, Tom and Camo-

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