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 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:56 pm
Last night I had an OBE, which is the best term I can think of describing it as. I was in bed, and suddenly I had the feeling like I was about to be sick. My heart hammered in my chest, and I began to feel cold all over. I blanked out, and when I opened my eyes again...the feeling was indescribable. I was definitely terrified to awaken to a blurry world, with white, glowing eyes all focused upon me. Their pupils were an empty black, without irises. The image sticks into my mind.
I was afraid, for nothing has ever happened to me like this before...and I'm so confused now. What should I believe? Am I going crazy?
That wasn't all. Afterwards, a shadow approached me, from the far wall in my "room filled with eyes". It was nondescript, a vague form that slowly drifted towards me. I tried to move, but just felt numbness. Every moment that shadow approached felt like agony. I thought of what was real, what I thought wasn't, everything. The shadow finally reached me and engulfed my left arm. It was almost an instant motion, after approaching so slowly the "attack" felt like something spontaneous. My arm and shoulder SCREAMED in pain, and it all seemed to echo to each and every nerve in my body.
When I awoke, it felt like my whole left side was throbbing. I raised my hand in front of me, and for some reason when I stared at it I amassed this huge feeling of paranoia. I got up, scrambled out of bed, and went to find my mother. My senses felt alert. I asked her if my arm looked weird, and she, without a word, stared at it for a moment. She reached to touch it, but before she did, moved her hand back and mumbled "Ow.". I asked her if she just said what I thought she said, to which she somewhat hastily responded, "Your arm's fine." My paranoia mounted. Since then, other people I know, such as friends during school, I have caught staring at my left arm as if something was wrong with it. One friend I surprised with a pat on the shoulder...right before I did it, I found myself smiling for some reason...I've never heard him yelp in pain until that moment. I have come to the conclusion that my OBE of last night has invited a demon into a portion of my soul.
And by this time, readers, you may have guessed that everything I have just wrote about is a complete and utter lie. In my next post, I will give the point of this thread, even if some of you may already be understanding it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:57 pm
I apologize if you felt deceived, guild members, but with deception I always (at least shortly afterward) reveal the truth, as I have.
I have heard stories with less details than mine but with much more fantastic claims. Here's two things to ask yourself, that I wish for you to think about.
If you believed me until the end; why? What are your assumptions and thought processes relating to this? Do you see a pitfall in your theory?
If you didn't believe this at all; why? Hard science is definitely the way to go for the logical. Actually, this question is just here to be here, really, this is more for the people who actually believe a little in this sort of thing [the supernatural, one may call it] in general, as I do.
The example I follow is that of neutrality, when someone claims something, you don't just throw their beliefs to the ground. However, I believe that if you claim something that is radical, sudden, and with very sketchy details to support your claim at best, then you shouldn't be offended much if someone thinks you're a little fluffy.
If there's anything you need to prove to someone, you should prove it wholly and truly to yourself. If you want to know that you're not insane, share it to someone close to you that you respect.
But I have realized that this Guild, this MPRILC is a community. I encourage it to become tighter. Try making friends here, share your ideas on a deeper level, and most of all, try understanding each other. After all, this is a diverse guild with many sorts of people. Try seeing the other side of the conversation.
For one start, I think we should all try to get on the IRC channel a bit more often, to have an open discussion, hmm? Well, regardless, I've probably wrote a wall of text here, so if you've got any comments or thoughts on my thread, PLEASE post them. I wrote this for the guild, after all. Don't want to see it go to waste. Feel free to just discuss stuff about this here, as well.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:51 pm
Awesome job, Sub'. I admit, I believed you until the end purely on the merit that stuff you've said before has made me think, has made sense, and rings true in a way that other people's claims haven't. Mayhaps I could be a bit a bit more skeptical, since I could be decieved pretty easily -- or maybe I should be more trusting since I can't see for sure, outside of my own experiences, wether anything anyone says here is true.
I echo the community becoming tighter deal, too.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:08 pm
Trust is gained or strengthened through friendship, I feel. I'm an honest person by nature, but to any stranger I just could be saying that. There are those who are far more deep in their deceptions, I know, but I digress on that topic...anything else I have to say I've already said in the first two posts.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:16 pm
I just took what you wrote as a possibility of what happened.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:19 pm
This is my first "real" post, so I don't have the above member's trust of you, but even though I have a hard time believing in the paranormal when I'm sitting alone thinking about it, I didn't doubt you. Why? Well, I guess it's just my nature to assume that people aren't lying to me, at least, I trust them if I don't feel they are trying to persuade me. Your anecdote didn't seem to be trying to fill me with a certain emotion or opinion, so I trusted it.
I hope that answers your question, and it's nice to meet all of you and end my lurking. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:26 pm
i thought it was believable until you said your mother told you your arm was fine. that woudl never happen in my veiw because the natural instinct of your mother shoudl have been like : omfg my baby wtf? were goignt to the hospital
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:05 pm
You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... ChiyuriYami I just took what you wrote as a possibility of what happened. ChiyuriYami I believe everything is true until proven otherwise...
Wow, contradictions much?
As to what you should believe in, this is my view, taken from a website because it can word it better:
Modern skepticism is embodied in the scientific method, that involves gathering data to formulate and test naturalistic explanations for natural phenomena. A claim becomes factual when it is confirmed to such an extent it would be reasonable to offer temporary agreement. But all facts in science are provisional and subject to challenge, and therefore skepticism is a method leading to provisional conclusions. Some claims, such as water dowsing, ESP, and creationism, have been tested (and failed the tests) often enough that we can provisionally conclude that they are false. Other claims, such as hypnosis and chaos theory, have been tested but results are inconclusive so we must continue formulating and testing hypotheses and theories until we can reach a provisional conclusion. The key to skepticism is to continuously and vigorously apply the methods of science to navigate the treacherous straits between “know nothing” skepticism and “anything goes” credulity.
...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:01 pm
As I read, I immediately thought that a lot of that sounded like sleep paralysis with some possible embellishment on the end. Had this been a legitimate "story" I was going to mention the possibility of it having been sleep paralysis, and leaving the rest to others, as I have no experience with possessions or demons or any of that stuff.
I sort of view everything as far as paranormal stories as someone's interpretation of something, and I'll make comments on the subject based on my personal opinions and knowledge, and things I've read or merely "heard about". If I took everything I read in forums like these as absolute truth, I'd be a very paranoid person, that's for sure.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:10 pm
I knew it was a test the whole time, somehow. Anyway, I wouldn't have believed it myself. I was going to say something along the lines of you were delirious and thats why you felt sick, then you just slipped into an elaborate dream. Anytime ive been sick delerium(sp?) is ******** nuts. I thought one time my pillow was a pickle and there were rock men around me watching me and guarding me, and for some reason the door was a mile away.
But yeah, I don't typically believe half the s**t that goes on in this guild. All this stuff about different souls and animal souls and spirit pregnancy, anything of the sort, just really stinks in my book.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:38 pm
You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... I would've taken a Freudian view, saying that your supervalent train of thought, which was concerned with your mother's relations with your father, was designed not only for the purpose of suppressing your love for your mother, which had once been conscious, but also to conceal your love for your father, which is in a deeper sense unconscious. ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:33 am
I had only read half of this the night before so I didn't actually get to read the rest...
Now, what my thoughts were on that first half talking about seeing the eyes and the shadow... I was thinking that when I get back I would make a reply making mention of that it was possibly a dream. That's what it sounds like to me... a serious nightmare.
Reading the rest of that having forgotten about my original topic for a post... You did have me on the thing attacking you or whatnot (which... I've heard other people saying things that could be compared, about the being and possession I mean), and then there was mention of harming your friend...?
I kept reading though to figure out what I would make in response... and... yeah, that's what happened when I read the "I lied" part. sweatdrop
So... part of it had me thinking of another cause for the things, but that was only with the partial information. I guess I sort of ruined your idea, in that you probably wanted someone to read it all at once, no?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:23 am
Part-way through reading I was about to post seeing it as an emergency, and I was going to reccomend wards, some spells, some energy manipulation techniques, and a link to the mprilc site's advanced lessons section... but... then I decided it wasn't THAT much of an emergency if you have the ability to type out your story, so I read the rest of it...
I've repeatedly explained what I believe, and suggest others believe something similar. Not because it is my opinion, not because I'm right, not because it is a miracle that will work for everyone, but because it's held my sanity together and without writing my guide on it I would have jumped off my roof top and/or gone insane when my girlfriend died.
When it comes to supernatural practices sanity is irrelavent.
Everyone-
Please help the site by reviewing lesson one, under WWW.MPRILC.FRIH.NET > Energy Manip, True Beginner.
Thank you.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:56 am
I cheated. I read the responses before the first two posts.
However, I would have not have believed it to begin with. As is my way, I would have suggested remedies that were mundane, and remedies that were paranormal. I've heard a lot of the stories some people say... and I can not trust a person without reason to. Part of it is time I've known the person, and part of it is that li'l BS-detector in my head... if it sounds highly implausible then it's going to set off the BS-detector, no matter who it is.
That said, I am always willing to admit to the possibility of being wrong (less likely to when the person I'm speaking to will not admit they might be wrong, if that statement makes sense).
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:40 am
Khalida Nyoka I cheated. I read the responses before the first two posts. However, I would have not have believed it to begin with. As is my way, I would have suggested remedies that were mundane, and remedies that were paranormal. I've heard a lot of the stories some people say... and I can not trust a person without reason to. Part of it is time I've known the person, and part of it is that li'l BS-detector in my head... if it sounds highly implausible then it's going to set off the BS-detector, no matter who it is. That said, I am always willing to admit to the possibility of being wrong (less likely to when the person I'm speaking to will not admit they might be wrong, if that statement makes sense). You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue; you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb... So what's an example of something 'paranormal' that isn't highly implausible? ...and all the dead will know: this is Hector, fool who thought he killed Achilles.
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