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can murdur be justified

one must first ask is there any justice in our world

its hard to say 20 years after the fact
oops, sorry mam, your son (fried for the crime) didn't really rape and kill the girl down the street...It was really the old man next door (heart attack in his sleep in his own bed)
our bad...
(we have the power to change the letter of the law and fix this problem but for some reason most continue to be vengful...if ya want to know what happens to a vengful heart watch saw III.

next on the list is necessary force
this is a joke
show me a cop that isn't big over his/her badge and i'll show you an honest politician
not too many of them

simply put power corrups people
and if we have to ask ourself if some amount of force was really necessary more than 5% of the time...we have a problem

yeah but murdering someone isn't what puts one into hell. if someone is forgiven through Christ then even if they did lose control of themselves and kill someone they would still be covered by the Blood of Christ and walk through heaven's gates...although in shame i'm sure. making it by the hair on their teeth.

there is a difference between killing and murder though. the commandment specifically says don't murder, murder is something done out of anger or is premeditated.

killing is allowed in situations, such as in war or the death penalty. the War part is easy b/c God told the Israelites to go out and completely destroy the nations that were in the promise land. it was a war to gain the land in which God gave them, also it was God's judgment being passed on those nations for their not acknowledging him. this is also included in the killing for the defense of others. now the death penalty is allowable b/c it is justice being played out, while yes i know sometimes mistakes are made on killing the wrong person for the crime. in the OT it was a command to stone those who were caught in certain sins, such as adultery, murder, rape, homosexuality...and a few others. although i know the when Jesus came he told the ppl that the one without sin should throw the first stone....and of course no one is without sin...except Jesus of course.

i don't know how much self-defense is able to be justified as not murder....although i can see how it's not b/c your just protecting yourself. i think that ones a thin line, b/c if it is b/c your being persecuted for you faith in Christ then i personally wouldn't fight back i'd let them go ahead and kill me (but then again, i personally wouldn't mine dying as a martyr), but in other situations....i'd at least try and defend myself.

it's a hard question that has to be analyzed with every situation as to what it is. it's one of those you have to pray about it things for some cases and it's obvious in others...

That's a hard question to answer. Personally, I think murder is when someone intintionally kills someone for no other reason than they want them dead. If a cop were to shoot another person in order to save a life, I think he could be forgiven in that instance. A cop's duty is to protect people and inforce laws. In such a case, he or she would just be doing there job. Besides, if said cop didn't shoot the criminal who had a gun and was ready to shoot and kill, a lot more people could end up dead. So.....I think in a case like that, it could be forgiven. As far as the death penalty goes, I don't think it should be used. An innocent person could be unjustly given the death penalty as a sentence. In that case, it wouldn't be justified. That's what I think anyway.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

God gave a very direct commandment, there's no way around it. No matter how some one may try to justify the death penalty (and i do agree with the reasons for the death penalty) it is still wrong. Man has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to take a life our Lord has created.

killing is a sin, it cannot be justified , it can be forgiven by God.

I could point to the policy of "total destruction" brought up in the OT.

Good quote..