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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:38 pm
Hello! This was just on my mind, and I figured as writers and readers all here you guys would be into having another discussion about... reading and writing.
Okay, so the things that are frosting my cookie (yes, cookies are delicious, but in this case the term is negative. biggrin ) at the moment are writers fixated still on aristocratic vampires and when Internet writers feel the need to bring in fake terms from their animes, like "sweat-dropped" or "glomp." I swear, my eye twitches whenever I read a sentence like, "At the sound of his angry voice, she sweat-dropped and laughed nervously." scream
So, I've shared some things I have found annoying lately while reading. Now you go. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:15 pm
I'm guessing this covers both fan fiction and fiction.
Uber powerful characters that don't have any flaws and uber wangsty pasts. I hate two dimensional characters who are perfect in every way. No one is perfect. I'd rather read about a character who pretends to be perfect but he/she has so many faults.
OOC when it comes to fan fiction. I hate it when people write canon characters so blatantly OOC that you can change their names and it could be considered original. This is especially true when it comes to OCxcanon romance. I don't want to see your Sue getting into a male canon character's pants within a few minutes of knowing him and having them be in twu wub.
Random Japanese terms. I know Japanese anime/manga is big right now, but you don't have to go overboard with it. There are some words that don't translate well to English or are the names/titles of things. However, if the word has a direct translation, use it. I don't want to see a random girl going "Kawaii! You look so kawaii!"
Irregular names. If the series has Japanese names, use them. I don't want to see Ebony Raven Nighthawk Krystal Moonshine Lockhart. Plus, three names are more than enough. If the series has Western names, use something that doesn't sound like you smashed your fist against a keyboard. Something like Sarah, Jessica, Max, or Adam.
Mary Sues. I hate two dimensional characters. We don't want to read about your wish fulfillments thank you very much. I know we all have them, but sensible people would either keep them locked in the bottom of their drawers, never to see the light of day or in their heads. I keep mine in my head for the most part.
Spelling and grammar. I may not be an expert at grammar, but I at least attempt to use it. The English language has been abused enough. Please leave it alone. On a similar note, I hate it when people begin three or more consecutive sentences with the same word. Use a little variety.
Huge info dumps. More than often, I'd see the most detail for the description of the Sue. Everything else is the bare minimum. In fact, most of the story would be dialog. It can be pulled off though it's very hard. The dialog must make an impact. Sadly, many writers can't do this.
Proclaimed sugar/caffeine highs. Seriously, don't use this lame excuse. It doesn't work.
AU used as an excuse for blatant OOC. Sure, the canon characters would act a little differentlky since they grew up in a different setting, but their main personality should be the same. I especially don't like high school fics. There are too many. So far, I've only seen a few that I really like, and I can count them on my hand.
Writers who can't take a critique and flame the review back even though the reviewer took the time to actually read and give advice. That's why I don't leave comments on the blatant Sue stories, because I know how most are going to respond. They'll whine and pitch a fit, because I don't like their precious Sue. *snort* Delusional I tell you. Then there are those people who actually fall in wuv with these fictional characters. I remembered two people who fell in love with Naruto characters and bitched when people told them they were only fictional characters. Talk about denial.
I also hate it when other people encourage writers to ignore concrit simply because they weren't nice. If anything, those people are only making the writer worse and polluting the internet. We don't need more trashy stories about self-inserts who fall in love with fictional characters after falling into their world. Seriously. Get a life!
Items/abilities/traits that are extremely rare and somehow ending up in the Sue's possession. I remembered once seeing a fic about a homunculus OC who can perform alchemy without any circles. She was also the eighth homunculi. *keels over* There are only seven homunculi and only the anime Wrath can perform limited alchemy, because he has Ed's missing limbs. Circless alchemy is extremely rare since not many survived seeing the gate. Ed, Izumi, Hohenheim, and That Person are exceptions.
Items/abilities/traits that do NOT exist being in the Sue's possession. There are no youkai in Harry Potter and Fullmetal Alchemist. Neither are angels.
Random crossover without any rhyme or reason. The writer just wants to see the characters together or they are their favorite shows. I especially hate it when they make their Sue pwn everyone else.
Wow, this is a long list.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:29 am
Chibi Envy Chan I'm guessing this covers both fan fiction and fiction. Uber powerful characters that don't have any flaws and uber wangsty pasts. I hate two dimensional characters who are perfect in every way. No one is perfect. I'd rather read about a character who pretends to be perfect but he/she has so many faults. OOC when it comes to fan fiction. I hate it when people write canon characters so blatantly OOC that you can change their names and it could be considered original. This is especially true when it comes to OCxcanon romance. I don't want to see your Sue getting into a male canon character's pants within a few minutes of knowing him and having them be in twu wub. Random Japanese terms. I know Japanese anime/manga is big right now, but you don't have to go overboard with it. There are some words that don't translate well to English or are the names/titles of things. However, if the word has a direct translation, use it. I don't want to see a random girl going "Kawaii! You look so kawaii!" Irregular names. If the series has Japanese names, use them. I don't want to see Ebony Raven Nighthawk Krystal Moonshine Lockhart. Plus, three names are more than enough. If the series has Western names, use something that doesn't sound like you smashed your fist against a keyboard. Something like Sarah, Jessica, Max, or Adam. Mary Sues. I hate two dimensional characters. We don't want to read about your wish fulfillments thank you very much. I know we all have them, but sensible people would either keep them locked in the bottom of their drawers, never to see the light of day or in their heads. I keep mine in my head for the most part. Spelling and grammar. I may not be an expert at grammar, but I at least attempt to use it. The English language has been abused enough. Please leave it alone. On a similar note, I hate it when people begin three or more consecutive sentences with the same word. Use a little variety. Huge info dumps. More than often, I'd see the most detail for the description of the Sue. Everything else is the bare minimum. In fact, most of the story would be dialog. It can be pulled off though it's very hard. The dialog must make an impact. Sadly, many writers can't do this. Proclaimed sugar/caffeine highs. Seriously, don't use this lame excuse. It doesn't work. AU used as an excuse for blatant OOC. Sure, the canon characters would act a little differentlky since they grew up in a different setting, but their main personality should be the same. I especially don't like high school fics. There are too many. So far, I've only seen a few that I really like, and I can count them on my hand. Writers who can't take a critique and flame the review back even though the reviewer took the time to actually read and give advice. That's why I don't leave comments on the blatant Sue stories, because I know how most are going to respond. They'll whine and pitch a fit, because I don't like their precious Sue. *snort* Delusional I tell you. Then there are those people who actually fall in wuv with these fictional characters. I remembered two people who fell in love with Naruto characters and bitched when people told them they were only fictional characters. Talk about denial. I also hate it when other people encourage writers to ignore concrit simply because they weren't nice. If anything, those people are only making the writer worse and polluting the internet. We don't need more trashy stories about self-inserts who fall in love with fictional characters after falling into their world. Seriously. Get a life! Items/abilities/traits that are extremely rare and somehow ending up in the Sue's possession. I remembered once seeing a fic about a homunculus OC who can perform alchemy without any circles. She was also the eighth homunculi. *keels over* There are only seven homunculi and only the anime Wrath can perform limited alchemy, because he has Ed's missing limbs. Circless alchemy is extremely rare since not many survived seeing the gate. Ed, Izumi, Hohenheim, and That Person are exceptions. Items/abilities/traits that do NOT exist being in the Sue's possession. There are no youkai in Harry Potter and Fullmetal Alchemist. Neither are angels. Random crossover without any rhyme or reason. The writer just wants to see the characters together or they are their favorite shows. I especially hate it when they make their Sue pwn everyone else. Wow, this is a long list. Hahaha, kudos to you for saying all that. I don't understand Sues, at all. I am almost morbidly fascinated enough that I would consider studying a Sue writer for a psychology paper. smile I remember this one PreTear story that had Sue. The plot was soooo incredibly AU that I didn't understand why the writer didn't just make new names and an original story. It sucked and I didn't get passed the third or so chapter. Hmmm, I'm sure I will think of more things that annoy me later.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:33 pm
Surprisingly, it didn't take me long to type that list out. I think it's because I already stated them in another thread. It's not in the guild but rather in the main forum of the writers forum. *shrugs*
Perhaps you live for the pain? The agony? Or simply want to understand them better so you can either help them or be amused by them? I dunno. I would recommend going with the ones who do self-inserts and believe that they are the love interest of some hawt bishie. There were a few that I've come across who actually believe they were in love with Sasuke or Kakashi. Tis sad really.
Oh yeah, I hate it when people bold the entire story or make it in italics. I mean they have a purpose. What's wrong with the regular font?
On that note, I especially hate it when they make the story hard to read. Bright fonts are extremely harsh on my eyes and so is small font, triple if both are used.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:33 am
haha yes, perhaps I'm just masochistic when it comes to bad Sue inserts.
Right now what bugs me is the lack of reading some of these very excited writers have when they jump into writing something. I mean... it seems like they would know that they don't have to put quotations around each sentence in a paragraph of dialogue. They might have picked that up as a reader... *le sigh* Oh well, I'm sure they will learn some day.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:57 am
Chibi has had a lot of time for constructing his list, especially in other threads in the main Writer's forum. 3nodding Chibi Envy Chan Proclaimed sugar/caffeine highs. Seriously, don't use this lame excuse. It doesn't work. I'm not sure why you find this a peeve. Sure, stories written on a proclaimed high are often bad, but the plots are often interesting. It's only when the author doesn't edit it AFTER the high it's really bad. Highs produce some of the best ideas, just not the best writing.
One of my peeves is densely packed paragraphs. It's more of a problem in stuff online, but also in print, where an author JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHEN STOP BABBLING ON ABOUT SOMETHING.
Another one is the authors who DEMAND a comment after you've read it, even if you have nothing to comment on or think it was nothing spectacular. I comment when I have something constructive to add or say, or when I really, really adore a portion or have fallen in love with the author. I even feel guilty if I'm going through all of someone's chapters or entries and constantly leave a comment on each chapter or drabble.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:16 pm
Most vampire stories. Most of them make the vampire this beautiful, god-like Gray Stu who, though they survive by killing humans, really are good people. And I hate the little add-ons that seem to be popping up. Twilight, for example. Vampires don't burst into flame when sunlight hits them. They sparkle. . . . . . . . . . WTF?! How does that work? And since when have werewolves been able to read other wolves minds and transform at will? It's ridiculous. Then, of course, you get the unending onslaught of fanfics from the authors adoring fangirls, most of which are complete and utter crap. Female leads. This is a bit hypocritical, considering I always use at least one, but honestly most of the FMC are some sort of Sue. Really, quite annoying. And people do enjoy reading fanfics with male leads, you know! Harry Potter fics. 'Nuff said. Lemons. Most of the time they are so utterly OOC it's not even funny. I used to have this friend who made Itachi/OC lemons like there was no tomorrow, which would have been fine if she didn't use vampire ninjas. And if the lemon didn't start in chapter two (after Itachi and the vampire have known each other for a whole FIVE MINUTES!). All that great, consequence-free sex. Where's the awkwardness? Where's the pregnancy? Where's the STDs? People who don't take criticism very well. And not just the ones who b***h at you, either. I have a friend who always gets discouraged whenever I point out whats wrong with the story. It's irritating. Writers who make a story, write six chapters, then just. . . stop. Where's the commitment? Honestly. Annnnnnnd everything Chibi wrote biggrin
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:54 pm
Song_of_fire Chibi has had a lot of time for constructing his list, especially in other threads in the main Writer's forum. 3nodding Chibi Envy Chan Proclaimed sugar/caffeine highs. Seriously, don't use this lame excuse. It doesn't work. I'm not sure why you find this a peeve. Sure, stories written on a proclaimed high are often bad, but the plots are often interesting. It's only when the author doesn't edit it AFTER the high it's really bad. Highs produce some of the best ideas, just not the best writing.
Because more than often, it would be pre-teen or teenage fan poodles who would write sugar/caffeine high stories. These stories, I find, tend to be full of inside jokes that no one understands or the humor, quite frankly, sucks big time. For example, high school sleepover parties (co-ed), truth or dare games, spin the bottle, or seven minutes in heaven. Gah.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:44 am
Chibi Envy Chan Song_of_fire Chibi has had a lot of time for constructing his list, especially in other threads in the main Writer's forum. 3nodding Chibi Envy Chan Proclaimed sugar/caffeine highs. Seriously, don't use this lame excuse. It doesn't work. I'm not sure why you find this a peeve. Sure, stories written on a proclaimed high are often bad, but the plots are often interesting. It's only when the author doesn't edit it AFTER the high it's really bad. Highs produce some of the best ideas, just not the best writing.
Because more than often, it would be pre-teen or teenage fan poodles who would write sugar/caffeine high stories. These stories, I find, tend to be full of inside jokes that no one understands or the humor, quite frankly, sucks big time. For example, high school sleepover parties (co-ed), truth or dare games, spin the bottle, or seven minutes in heaven. Gah. That's not sugar high thinking, that's "I'm a moo who's bored out of their mind, what can I come up with which would be fun?" thinking. I have read some non-moo sugar-high stories that haven't been edited. They usually do have lame humour (even though some of it may be actually quite good British humour, which is usually a bit more crude than American humour), but the situations have potential.
This is where I say editing can make anything better, as long as you have the dedication to do so.
Even the best writers sometimes have to feed off high-induced imagintion. Even if it is the kind you experience at three in the morning which leads to such interesting observations as "If you stand on the table, you can reach the ceiling".
And honestly, in-jokes don't have to be in-jokes if you present them the right way. They can still be funny to a general audience and those in on the joke will simply get more of a kick out of it. (I'll plug here and suggest you read my "Office Politics" series on ff.net. Even though it's got crappy author's notes)
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:03 am
*twitches* I really hate those types of fics, the ones that mainly focus on these events. Sure, I'll use something like that, but they're only a small part of the story. I actually have a plot and fair amount of characterization. More than often, they would be written during school, very late at night, or when the writer is bored enough to laugh at her/his own jokes. Gods, did you see those Bleach fics written by Ritsuka? I forgot his last name, but he includes his friends as OCs and pairs them up with canon characters. Nice of him to include the self-inserts of his friends, but does he really have to post them for everyone to see?
I have a warped humor.
Sadly, I haven't found many of those writers. You know my future manga was inspired by a dream I had.
Eh? Link? What's the series based on?
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:18 am
I usually stay away from any online story that has a professed caffeine/sugar high as the reason. In real life I get annoyed whenever anyone proclaims they're hyper so excuse them for being obnoxious. To me it's not that funny and definitely not cute.
Highs don't make writing good. That's just something alcoholics like to say. smile
Now, I wouldn't go so far as to say that vampires explode into a cloud of glittery sparkle magic when you stake them is a good thing, but I don't hate on writers who mix it up a bit, especially when the idea involves vampires or werewolves. Werewolves changing at will isn't that crazy to me. That's been a long going theme for awhile now.
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Something that's bugging me right now is the use/overuse of parenthesis in writing. Oh, and when online writers break from the story to explain something in parenthesis. They should realize that isn't necessary and just try and write the story.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:08 pm
Same here especially when they mention something like sleepover, playing certain games, or when canon characters come to our world by some mysterious force. I really don't want to know their fantasies with fictional characters.
Another pet peeves is when people start claiming characters and that they're the wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/lover of so and so. The only person who has any right to claim those characters is the creator. While I can't place claim on Kadaj, Zack Fair, Cloud Strife, or Sephiroth, I can claim Christian Carter, Samuel Mustang, Elsa Nightingale, and the Fujiwara twins. Why? Because I created those characters.
Paranthesi should be used sparingly though I don't mind them from time to time when they add to the story. You mean announcements, aka ANs. I hate those too. If they have to explain something, then they should either put a footnote or explain it in the story. It's irritating when the writer makes a snide remark.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:48 am
Chibi Envy Chan *twitches* I really hate those types of fics, the ones that mainly focus on these events. Sure, I'll use something like that, but they're only a small part of the story. I actually have a plot and fair amount of characterization. More than often, they would be written during school, very late at night, or when the writer is bored enough to laugh at her/his own jokes. Eh? Link? What's the series based on? Backwards reply. Series is FMA based, inspiration is poorly explained in the A/N (which usually stands for author's notes, not announcement). ]link]
No, I did not see that series of fics. Nor do I like heavily OC populated fanfics unless they take place in a totally different time but same universe and have good writing. And don't be a wet blanket or close-minded, night-time fic ideas can be good. I will say again, some decent editing and a sense of whether it's good enough to post and publicise (which I seem to lack at times) can make them good. Hell, I plan fics before I fall asleep.
*glares at Chibi* The proper plural of parenthesis is parentheses, not parenthesi. That's another thing that bothers me, unsolicited latinised plurals. Or simple ignorance on how to pluralise something. Like matrices.
Returning back to parenthesis and their use in story, it can be used to explain something in a humourously story. Same with multiple footnotes. It doesn't really work out of humour though, so it's sometime best to pull out the 'insert explanation after a comma' technique.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:11 am
*pokes Sofu* I never did say I was good at grammar. XD You know that already.
*falls over anime style* I never said that. I said that most of the sleep over ones and whatnot happen to be written at night. I didn't say that all fics written at night happen to be horrible. There's a difference. Also with those bad fics, many have a tendancy to put it online right away without any sort of editing.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:50 am
Chibi Envy Chan *pokes Sofu* I never did say I was good at grammar. XD You know that already.
*falls over anime style* I never said that. I said that most of the sleep over ones and whatnot happen to be written at night. I didn't say that all fics written at night happen to be horrible. There's a difference. Also with those bad fics, many have a tendancy to put it online right away without any sort of editing. *waves arms around* Don't be so general then!
Which is another peeve, one that you probably share with me.
Fics which are mostly conversation driven, with barely any description.
You can write something entirely based on dialouge, but not something long... Anyway, it does take a bit of skill to keep characters in character and have their dialouge flow smoothly.
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