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My best friend and I have been discussing the Nephilim a lot lately. She believes that there were some Nephilim put here for the purpose of good, and to fight evil. That at some point in this day and age (our generation, or sometime while we are still alive), Judgement will come and that the Nephilim that still remain will be shown to certain chosen people (people that are sensitive to the supernatural, people that can see demons, witches, etc.). (Personally, both of us have seen Nephilim, Angels, and Demons, so I believe that all of them are very real.)




The full story can be found in the Book of Enoch as well as the Book of Jubilees, which claims that the Grigori (or watchers) that went to Earth to instruct humans in righteousness mated with human females and thusly created the Nephilim (although some stories say that it was humans that desired the flesh of Angels and forced themselves on Them). They were described as giants that devoured all of humankind's resources and finally began to consume humans.
Shemyazaz and the other leaders of the Grigori (Araqiel, Rameel, Kokabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Daniel, Chazaqiel, Baraqiel, Asael, Armaros, Batariel, Ananiel, Zaqiel, Shamsiel, Satariel, Turiel, Yomiel, and Sariel) were cast into Tartarus, to await their final judgement. Azazel, who brought on the Grigori's punishment, by teaching humans war, was bound by hand and foot by Raphael and cast into a hole in the desert and covered with rocks, and "On the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. [...] The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin."
Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel were sent by God to judge the fallen angels.
The Nephilim are said to be supernatural beings, and the offspring of human women and Angels (whether forced or not). They were said to be the reason God brought down the flood, and destroyed them. In some texts the Nephilim were wiped out by the Flood, others, though, say that God only killed 90% of them, leaving the rest alive in order to lead humans astray from their faith (until Judgement day came).
Some believe Nephilim that out of the few handful that remained, some became good, some became neutral, and some became evil (given the fact that they are born of Angel and human, they would have the free will of a human, but still be a supernatural being). (Not to be confused with Neutral Angels. Not a popular belief in Western religion, Neutral Angels have a self-explanatory title. They were said to have remained Neutral during God's judgement of the Angels, and were neither good nor evil.)
Some say that Azazel is really Satan, but then again, some believe Samael descended from Heaven to rule over Hell, others say that Satan is only a faulty translation, because Satan translates to Arch Enemy in Latin. Still, others say that Satan and Lucifer are two different entities- Lucifer being the Angel that was cast down originally for wanting to "be as God" and Satan came after his fall (which is what I believe).

(All research done through personal connections, and the trusty old Wikipedia)


Discuss:
Do you believe in Nephilim?
If you do believe in Nephilim, what is your personal opinion on what Nephilim really are?
Have you ever seen any Nephilim?
Do you think that there are Nephilim residing on our planet, during this age (or ever at any point in our world's history)?
Do you believe in the Judgement of God, and when will it occur (I myself, don't believe in God)?
Anything else that I didn't list that I couldn't think of, because it's 2 AM and I can't sleep (Sorry. I'll most likely edit later to add anything I couldn't think of off the top of my head. I've been meaning to post this for a while, but I've never had the time.)

I agree that Judgement Day is coming, and that God has no right to judge us. He has no right to do anything, in my mind, really. If He does exist. I had religion crammed down my throat when I was a child (Church every day, prayer before we started learning in school, Sunday School, religious classes, the works) but no one, it seems, ever stopped to bother what God's reasoning is. If He does exist, He seems like a very egotistical, megalomaniacal god, and I have no interest in believing in a deity that teaches me to worship only Him and none other, or else I've sinned, but if I believe in Him, He is kind and generous (if He feels like it); I've also no interest in a deity that keeps slaves to do His work for Him. That's always been my view on it anyway, the Bible was a great story and all, but it didn't make me believe in God. Quite contrary it made me doubt in His existence even more.

Well, yes...I, myself, believe in hybrids, Nephilim included. I was curious to see how many other people believe in them, or have even heard of them. From research I've done, quite a surprising number of people have never heard of Nephilim OR the Book of Enoch (maybe that just has something to do with being in the South, though).
Although, demon hybrids, or demons themselves seem to be more popular overall. I think too many people...sort of humanize demons and make them seem just like really cool, bad-a**, attractive entities (thanks to popular media). If people were really exposed to true demonic entities, I think a lot of people would have mental break-downs; a lot of people can't even handle seeing a ghost, I don't want to think what it would do to them if they came across a demon. They enjoy disguising themselves as things you can trust, though, but I think seeing Ariel with red eyes splashing in your bathtub and asking you to join her would be just as frightening, if not more so, than seeing a demon in its true form (which, fortunately, I've never had the pleasure of seeing).

Nephelim came before the Flood, so either we're all Nephelim or none of us are. It was an interesting phenomenon but you can no more talk to a Nephel than you can talk to His Imperial Majesty Norton I, or you talk to a Nephel every time you talk to your friend, neighbor, mother, father, sister brother, or any other human. They're all dead or everyone is one.

EDIT: I notice all this about the book of Enoch and blah de dah. They're mentioned in early Genesis, if only passingly. No need to look in the Apocrypha.

Nah, I'm not too big on watching TV, I haven't heard anything about any shows with Angels. If anything I watch the History Channel and some Law & Order. We have conversations about this stuff almost every day. We come up with theories or do research and such. We're weird nerds...

Again, either you are a nephel, and it's nothing special because everyone is, or you aren't, and noone is. The nephelim were born BEFORE the Great Flood!
Although I suppose one or two of Noah's daughters-in-law may have been a Nephel, and the other(s) not, that still leaves 1/3 to 2/3 of the world being Nephelim.

Most likely, you are NOT a Nephel and you've just had screwy dreams. If you ARE a Nephel, you've got two to four billion other Nephelim out there, making you a lot less individual for it.

My mistake, I was convinced it was an E. I'll look it up sometime just to be sure.

Nephilim is plural. "Why is it impossible for me to be white people?", Michael Jackson might have said, about as clearly as you just did.

I didn't say it was TOTALLY impossible, if I had my post would have been incoherent and contradictory...
If Noah, his wife and all his daughters-in-law were not Nephilim then none living today are Nephilim.
If Noah or his wife WERE a Nephilim then everyone alive today is a Nephil.
If one, two or all of Noah's daughters-in-law are Nephilim then the corresponding portion of human population probably is.

Nephil refers entirely to a person who is half-angel, half-human. It refers to the body. Not the soul. If you were a wolf in a past life it doesn't make you one now. The same with a Nephil.

God didn't go to much trouble JUST for the Nephilim. The world was turning into a hellhole. So He wiped it out. If any Nephilim were good enough people, they'd have gotten on the Ark.

I wouldn't put much stock in the book of Enoch - he was taken to heaven and never put back here, there's not much he could've written about.