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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:32 pm
One day on a verrry long drive home, my brother decided to bring up this topic to kill the time. What earth-bound (meaning no Apocalypse, or Gladiater, or Silver Surfer, etc.) Marvel character could defeat the Hulk?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:44 am
Thor, Sentry and Dr Strange are the best bets. Mind you, Apocalypse in comics continuity is not a match. In the cartoon he was insanely powerful. In the comics he is shite. Most of his abilities come from stolen Celestial tech that he doesn't even fully understand or use to their potential. Even with it he isn't that great. Any of the characters I listed that could beat Hulk could beat him down too with little to no effort.
Graviton and Count Nefaria could also potentially defeat Hulk. If they fought smart then he will go down. Magneto if the "iron in the blood" trick is used and works. If he tools around he is beat. He can still hear through his shields so a thunderclap will hurt him even if Hulk can hit him with his fists. If the thunderclap doesn't KO him then it'll at least force him to drop his shields while trying to stay awake.
Off the top of my head that is it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:32 pm
Though Apocalypse IS Earth-bound (he's frickin Egyptian) to add further corrections, but Gamma is right. The Hulk would kick Apocalypse's a** upside down. Furthermore, he was a blowhard in the cartoons to begin with, always bloating about how powerful he is and whatnot.
I think maybe Phoenix might have a chance.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:12 pm
And yeha, me and my brother came to about the same conclusion too with it being Magneto. Seeing as how Magneto is the strongest Mutant. Thor and Phoenix though, I'm not so sure. Thor, I'm not really sure of his abilities. Never bothered to read up on him that much. And Phoenix hasn't ever been depicted to really be that strong.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:09 pm
Baulder And yeha, me and my brother came to about the same conclusion too with it being Magneto. Seeing as how Magneto is the strongest Mutant. Thor and Phoenix though, I'm not so sure. Thor, I'm not really sure of his abilities. Never bothered to read up on him that much. And Phoenix hasn't ever been depicted to really be that strong. If Thor just slugs it out then he'd lose. If he uses his handy dandy deus ex machina called Mjolnir it's an easy win. Thor is as strong as an angry green Hulk. He has a belt of strength he rarely uses that doubles his strength. If he enters Warrior Madness mode his strength gets multiplied several times. We're not even getting into what his hammer can do... which is whatever the writer wants to pull out of his a** on a given day. He also has a final resort his Godly Essence Blast. Which is an attack channeled through his hammer that uses his life force as fuel. It can damage a Celestials armor. Thor is insanely powerful. The only reason he doesn't mop the floor with Hulk is being hampered by PIS so writers have him act dumb when fighting the Hulk. I say this as a life-long Hulk fan. I may be a fan, but I don't let fanboy-ism blind me to when he is outclassed.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:46 pm
Damn... Someone that powerful, are you sure he's earthbound?
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:33 pm
Baulder Damn... Someone that powerful, are you sure he's earthbound? http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8366503 Yes, out of Marvel characters that even hand Superman his a**, the top three likely are Thor, The Hulk, and the Silver Surfer. That said they're also capable of taking one another out as well. However, sans Silver Surfer since you're eliminating alien beings and since The Hulk himself is the target of the question here, that leaves only Thor as the only candidate as far as Earthbound characters are concerned. Thor is EXACTLY WHO his name says he is. He IS THOR, Norse god of thunder and lightning. While he is a god, he's still a deity of Earth origin; born there and raised there so technically Gamma does have a point. Now, if you want to eliminate gods out of the question as well then that changes things drastically. One point Gamma did leave out though is that Thor is faster than The Hulk as he is capable of traveling at lightspeed at least. As for Phoenix, she's an Omega-Classed mutant and surpasses Magento in power, though he did kill her, as Magneto is only considered Alpha-Class. http://en.marveldatabase.com/Jean_Grey_(Earth-616)
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:51 pm
Kuroudo Akabane Baulder Damn... Someone that powerful, are you sure he's earthbound? http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8366503 Yes, out of Marvel characters that even hand Superman his a**, the top three likely are Thor, The Hulk, and the Silver Surfer. That said they're also capable of taking one another out as well. However, sans Silver Surfer since you're eliminating alien beings and since The Hulk himself is the target of the question here, that leaves only Thor as the only candidate as far as Earthbound characters are concerned. Thor is EXACTLY WHO his name says he is. He IS THOR, Norse god of thunder and lightning. While he is a god, he's still a deity of Earth origin; born there and raised there so technically Gamma does have a point. Now, if you want to eliminate gods out of the question as well then that changes things drastically. One point Gamma did leave out though is that Thor is faster than The Hulk as he is capable of traveling at lightspeed at least. As for Phoenix, she's an Omega-Classed mutant and surpasses Magento in power, though he did kill her, as Magneto is only considered Alpha-Class. http://en.marveldatabase.com/Jean_Grey_(Earth-616) 2 clarifications: Thor can fly with his hammer through space faster than light. However, that is flight propelled by his hammer. His actual physical speed and reaction times are not anywhere near lightspeed. Another is that not only is he a Norse God which makes his technically of Earth origin. In the Marvel Universe his mother is Gaea herself. Odin has a child with her knowing it would have the potential to be not only more powerful than the standard Norse God, but also eventually more powerful than Odin himself. You don't get more earthbound than being son of the planet. xd
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:24 pm
Alright then, if we were to eliminate Deity-based gods as well, what would that leave us with then?
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:45 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:03 am
Deity-based. As in anything pertainng to religion, or Gods, etc.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:05 am
Nuu, that's not what Deity meant....he was just being, like... <.< ...ehm....nevermind.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:42 am
Baulder Alright then, if we were to eliminate Deity-based gods as well, what would that leave us with then? Sentry and Doctor Strange. The latter might be DQ'd though since even though he is "based" on Earth his adventures tend to deal with mystical threats from other dimensions, etc. With "prep" he can deal with beings that can threaten the entire Universe on his own. With prep and his magical artifacts he is effectively a high level cosmic being as far powers, abilities, etc. Sentry is pretty much Superman. With major mental problems. Once we get past those 2 it's hard to find a credible threat ON Earth using the parameters you gave. Depending on Hulk's level of rage a telepath might be useless. Iceman is a possibility. He is an Omega and once before created a block of ice large enough and cold enough that even the Hulk couldn't break out. Anyone that is primarily a brawler is going to lose. That's Hulks fight and you will never beat him on his own terms.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:07 am
Gamma Charge Kuroudo Akabane Baulder Damn... Someone that powerful, are you sure he's earthbound? http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=8366503 Yes, out of Marvel characters that even hand Superman his a**, the top three likely are Thor, The Hulk, and the Silver Surfer. That said they're also capable of taking one another out as well. However, sans Silver Surfer since you're eliminating alien beings and since The Hulk himself is the target of the question here, that leaves only Thor as the only candidate as far as Earthbound characters are concerned. Thor is EXACTLY WHO his name says he is. He IS THOR, Norse god of thunder and lightning. While he is a god, he's still a deity of Earth origin; born there and raised there so technically Gamma does have a point. Now, if you want to eliminate gods out of the question as well then that changes things drastically. One point Gamma did leave out though is that Thor is faster than The Hulk as he is capable of traveling at lightspeed at least. As for Phoenix, she's an Omega-Classed mutant and surpasses Magento in power, though he did kill her, as Magneto is only considered Alpha-Class. http://en.marveldatabase.com/Jean_Grey_(Earth-616) 2 clarifications: Thor can fly with his hammer through space faster than light. However, that is flight propelled by his hammer. His actual physical speed and reaction times are not anywhere near lightspeed. Another is that not only is he a Norse God which makes his technically of Earth origin. In the Marvel Universe his mother is Gaea herself. Odin has a child with her knowing it would have the potential to be not only more powerful than the standard Norse God, but also eventually more powerful than Odin himself. You don't get more earthbound than being son of the planet. xd Hardly matters in the end though. Thor has handed the Surfer his a** on several occasions and the Surfer is highly likely the faster of the two. It's also been well established that travel speed and combat speed differs.
If you want to talk about reflexes and combat speed, Pietro probably holds that title being Marvel's closest thing to The Flash.Baulder Alright then, if we were to eliminate Deity-based gods as well, what would that leave us with then? Grr...fine. Just rule out my favorite hero why don't ya...u_uBaulder Deity-based. As in anything pertainng to religion, or Gods, etc. He's playing on the Thor stuff from this month's donation items.
I'm going after them pretty soon myself.Gamma Charge Baulder Alright then, if we were to eliminate Deity-based gods as well, what would that leave us with then? Sentry and Doctor Strange. The latter might be DQ'd though since even though he is "based" on Earth his adventures tend to deal with mystical threats from other dimensions, etc. With "prep" he can deal with beings that can threaten the entire Universe on his own. With prep and his magical artifacts he is effectively a high level cosmic being as far powers, abilities, etc. Sentry is pretty much Superman. With major mental problems. Once we get past those 2 it's hard to find a credible threat ON Earth using the parameters you gave. Depending on Hulk's level of rage a telepath might be useless. Iceman is a possibility. He is an Omega and once before created a block of ice large enough and cold enough that even the Hulk couldn't break out. Anyone that is primarily a brawler is going to lose. That's Hulks fight and you will never beat him on his own terms. Yeah...but I'm not talking about Phoenix the telepathic side of her power spectrum. I think it's safe to say that Phoenix is the most powerful psychic in the Marvel Universe hands down. Furthermore, like Iceman she's also an Omega. If nothing else she could probably rely on her Cosmic Pyrokinetic blasts.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:17 am
Kuroudo Akabane He's playing on the Thor stuff from this month's donation items. I'm going after them pretty soon myself. Nuu, that wasn't it, either. xD Look at the dates of the posts...it's before they were released.
...Bauldy simply capitalized the word 'deity'. Deity's name is....uhh....Deity. > >; ...he didn't figure it needed any explanation.
::ahem::
So, who's winnin'...? ninja
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