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 Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:12 am
Here is something that is never discussed, and is damn near impossible to find a real class on: European Martial Arts. The fighting styles of the west not nearly as popular as their Asian counterparts, and need to be thrown into the light. Yes, I know we have fencing. Although fencing teaches proper form, footwork and muscle memory, it does little to compare to a real rapier or smallsword duel.
Longsword, broadsword, shortsword & buckler are also rare sports that have a huge background and complex and effective fighting system. So far, no schools short of the ARMA have touched these lost arts.
So, this thread is for those to discuss the fighting arts my heritage, and to debunk the myths of 10lb swords and extreamly heavy armor.
Feel free to talk about anything from the lost practices of European hand-to-hand combat, the elegant and complex sword arts of the rennisance or even the mechanical effectiveness of European polearms.
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:25 am
Ah yes, good old Europe. I do wish there would be greater availability of the european arts. I thought of practicing fencing for a while, but I just can bring myself to like the swords they use in its modern, sportified version.
Mostly due to a lack of available information, I can't say I know much about the actual technique (beyond the basics of the basics) in most european combat-arts. I know it's a poor excuse, but perhaps the topic may eventually serve to educate me further on the way of our ancestors.
One thing though, what lost practices of hand-to-hand are you talking about exactly? Isn't boxing pretty much the modern incarnation of european hand-to-hand?
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:19 pm
There are actually many different grappeling and boxing techniques tought during the medieval and rennisance period, both in armor and out. However, western sport wrestling, boxing and greco-roman wresteling are all that survive.
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:11 am
If only the warriors who fought in Grecian Pankratium had formed structured schools to hand down their techniques. I mean, they had to have come up with some damn good fighting moves in that sort of sparring venue.
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:13 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee If only the warriors who fought in Grecian Pankratium had formed structured schools to hand down their techniques. I mean, they had to have come up with some damn good fighting moves in that sort of sparring venue. Yea... but a single style isn't what you want in that situation. Pankratium is basically just kill the other guy by any means nececary, literally fighting tooth and nail. Kind of think of it as the UFC, but without any rules.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:11 am
Has anybody here heard about the French kicking style of Savate?
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:45 pm
Gloglablyn Has anybody here heard about the French kicking style of Savate? Can't say that I have. Please, tell me more.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:11 pm
Hylo, i'm pretty sure Gank knows what Pankration is.
And Savate is like.... dirty Kickboxing. It focuses more on kicks however. originated in france. Meanining it's obviously crap. lol.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:56 am
Mirko_Filipovic Hylo, i'm pretty sure Gank knows what Pankration is. And Savate is like.... dirty Kickboxing. It focuses more on kicks however. originated in france. Meanining it's obviously crap. lol. Of course. Any martial art that wasn't exploited during the ninja boom is crap.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:35 am
Mirko_Filipovic Hylo, i'm pretty sure Gank knows what Pankration is. And Savate is like.... dirty Kickboxing. It focuses more on kicks however. originated in france. Meanining it's obviously crap. lol. I knew he knew that, but I was defining it for those who don't. Not everything that originated in France is crap, they created an entire fencing style.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:35 pm
Hylonomus Mirko_Filipovic Hylo, i'm pretty sure Gank knows what Pankration is. And Savate is like.... dirty Kickboxing. It focuses more on kicks however. originated in france. Meanining it's obviously crap. lol. I knew he knew that, but I was defining it for those who don't. Not everything that originated in France is crap, they created an entire fencing style. Based off of superior Spaniard and Italian fencing.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:56 pm
FiaNari Hylonomus Mirko_Filipovic Hylo, i'm pretty sure Gank knows what Pankration is. And Savate is like.... dirty Kickboxing. It focuses more on kicks however. originated in france. Meanining it's obviously crap. lol. I knew he knew that, but I was defining it for those who don't. Not everything that originated in France is crap, they created an entire fencing style. Based off of superior Spaniard and Italian fencing. Okay, I have to correct this since you keep bringing it up. Italian and Spaniard fencing styles were never really superior to French styles. Yes Fia, we have to put our national pride aside for a moment and admit that...the French consecutively handed our asses to us on a platter for the best part of two centuaries untill Southern Italy got its act together and combined French fencing methods with Italian Stilleto (close quarter grappling with a small knife/main gauche) amongst various other principles. And Spanish Carro Ferro is based off what the Italians produced...but...lamer... As for European MA, what information are you guys after? I'm pretty sure I can provide a veritable treasure trove if you tell me what you're after.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:00 pm
Ok I guess the French slander should die, after all there are many good things of the French(like Voltaire!!).
The Spanish were....liberated by the British during the Napoleon wars. That was the only time we were conquered after the fall of the Caliphate of Cordoba. So yes the French, under Napoleon did conquer Spain. I'll have to read up on the other battles, but the Spanish were also exposed to Filipino styles and the such, however by the time
all that got together Muskets were in full effect and most battles were against Ottoman Turks anyways.
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:35 am
FiaNari Ok I guess the French slander should die, after all there are many good things of the French(like Voltaire!!). The Spanish were....liberated by the British during the Napoleon wars. That was the only time we were conquered after the fall of the Caliphate of Cordoba. So yes the French, under Napoleon did conquer Spain. I'll have to read up on the other battles, but the Spanish were also exposed to Filipino styles and the such, however by the time all that got together Muskets were in full effect and most battles were against Ottoman Turks anyways. Napoleon is not a historical figure, he is a myth created by the french to pollute the minds of the weak. ******** frenchies.
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:13 am
Mirko_Filipovic FiaNari Ok I guess the French slander should die, after all there are many good things of the French(like Voltaire!!). The Spanish were....liberated by the British during the Napoleon wars. That was the only time we were conquered after the fall of the Caliphate of Cordoba. So yes the French, under Napoleon did conquer Spain. I'll have to read up on the other battles, but the Spanish were also exposed to Filipino styles and the such, however by the time all that got together Muskets were in full effect and most battles were against Ottoman Turks anyways. Napoleon is not a historical figure, he is a myth created by the french to pollute the minds of the weak. ******** frenchies. You know what?I hope and wish that your right!!Go El ******** we had more legends than just that, but half of them died in very brutal way to indigenous tribes)
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