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 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:38 pm
It's not hating dubs after they have seem them that pisses me off. No its judging a dub by a clip they have seen or worse. Judging a dub right as it has gotten licensed. Saying it will suck the second it gets picked up. I hate, hate HATE it.
Rant over.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:18 am
Yeah, it really bugs me.
They're setting themselves up to fail anything and everything. Simply because they're far too close-minded and are only willing to believe every nuance of the Japanese performance even if they can't speak the language and live in the past when thinking about dubs.
Funny thing though, a lot of people get into anime through dubs.
I wonder if I could become a teacher/instructor/professor to all these anime fans and fail them without looking at their work even if the work was supposedly well-written.
EDIT: GASP! THE JOKER! You look a lot closer to the 60's Batman Live-action Joker.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:35 pm
I'm sure the majority of the people that complain about the dubs before having ever seen them actually got into anime by watching dubs. Every anime fan that I know entered that way. I am of the opinion that the majority of the people with this complaint only do so because they believe that hating all dubs is the "cool" thing to do within the fandom, and so they continue to bash these versions that they have never viewed in order to raise themselves in the internet anime fandom hierarchy, which is really very sad. Hopefully, these people will eventually mature and realize that they are just being childish, and that being a fan is much more fun if you just chill out about things. Just be happy that, even if you don't like the dubbed version, the Japanese version is now readily available in America and you will not have to pay the overly inflated Japanese DVD price in order to legally own it.
Or, they will continue to whine, b***h, and moan, and will never buy an actual DVD in their life, thus continuing to contribute to the slow death of the American anime industry.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:29 pm
Yeah I don't understand bashing dubs before you ever get to see them. Its sort of like the case with the Death Note dub. All we have to go on is dialogue that was made up by Viz for the trailer.
edit: Also the voice actor for Ryuk is also the guy who did Vegeta. Who could complain about that? emo
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:38 pm
one of my friends did that today, she was like "did you hear about L?" and I thought she meant that he's in Battlestar Gallatica but no she started baggin on him about Gundam or somethin and I was just like dang the show hasnt started yet. I'll admit I usually set standards low myself but thats because I dont like getting dissapointed I like to be surprised with something great rather than expect spectacular and find only better than average.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:09 am
Oh man I hear ya. Each and evertime. rolleyes It get's so bad, they don't even need to watch a 30 second clip before they pass judgement on the dub. Such as Ouran High School Host Club. stare
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:38 am
Oh, I've been avoiding topics about that on the AMC. How bad is it?
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:37 am
Nothing fuels my fire more than this. One word for you guys...rather a one-word name. Bleach! Yeah, that's right. Remember when they put up that short 'promo' clip off of [as] last year a few weeks before the show was to start it's run? You should have hit the AMC board here, AnimeNation's board, Anime News Network's board, and about any other major anime board out there that is littered with a majority of sub-only fans. Pure hysteria over a 30-second clip. Some people need to get their heads out of Japan and get lives, seriously. I guarantee you most do not know or care to learn the Japanese language in full anyways, so in turn, how can they judge how well their favorite anime sounds in its original language? For what its worth, it could be just as horrible as the worst English dub, or worse. But damn, if it's coming down to prejudging a NON EXISTANT (must emphasize that) dub upon an anime's North American licensing, something is terribly wrong with fandom nowadays. Edit: Went up and read Calica's post...I wish to further with my own comments Calica .....hating all dubs is the "cool" thing to do within the fandom,... Sadly, this is too true. It's the whole 'anonymity' factor of the Internet in play. (They) Calica ....will never buy an actual DVD in their life, thus continuing to contribute to the slow death of the American anime industry. Thus why stores like FYE and Suncoast have all but left our malls and why Best Buy only carries the 'A-list' titles nowadays. As for FYE/Suncoast, they're only in insanely huge metropolitan cities now...no longer in any small towns or cities. While people DO cite mall rents/lease rates being too high and their overbloated prices as factors, I also suspect that severly dragging sales in some segments (especially DVDs but in FYE's case, it's more or less severly declining CD sales, and ESPECIALLY anime in Suncoast's case) are what also hurt the chain(s) in the end. In turn, their closures sent a ripple-effect down the line, hurting ADV a bit (they had to layoff some staff), and severely hitting Central Park Media/US Manga Corps to the point where that company may not exist by next year. Good thing Slayers went to FUNi, now we just need 'license rescues' for Utena, Shamanic Princess, RG Veda, Lodoss (OAV only...the TV series is mostly panned by fans) and Grave of the Fireflies [which should really go to Disney, since it's a Studio Ghibli film and be co-released with 'Only Yesterday' and the forthcoming Ghibli movie]. Angel Sanctuary was picked up by Media Blasters this year (not sure if they'll be keeping the TAJ Studio dub or not) and they also reissued Here is GreenWood (they made a new dub for this one) a few years back. If a 'slow decline of the American anime market' topic ever pops up, boy will I have too much to say on the issue.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:53 am
How about death note, where they have a trailer where the actual voice actors aren't being used.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:59 am
They still complain about that trailer.
One thing that pisses me off about Bleach is how everyone loved the dub when it first aired and then as the dub got popular trhey started to hate it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:42 pm
@ Haruki-sama: Don't forget about Geneon having to lay off its entire marketing staff. Creativerealms They still complain about that trailer. One thing that pisses me off about Bleach is how everyone loved the dub when it first aired and then as the dub got popular trhey started to hate it. That has to deal with another complaint I have about their complaints, that by dubbing something and putting it on American television, the anime will become TOO popular. Excuse me, what? You don't like dubs because it means more people watch your favorite show? I understand that the feeling of a close community you get when you love something that only a select few others seem to enjoy, but how selfish do you have to be to want to deny it to others? Just accept that most of the time, your favorite thing will also be loved by others. Stop complaining about the weeaboos who may or may not know anything about the show after it gets dubbed--I have to deal with you, you can deal with them. *breathes*
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:43 pm
Ah yes. Geneon. And to think, 7 years ago, they seemed to be on top of things. Now look what's happening to them.....
- It seems their soundtrack division is all but washed up. Not many people buy domestic CD anime OSTs anyways (I did), they all buy those el-cheapo SonMay bootlegs, or just download the tracks. Which while it's technically wrong, it's understandable, since CDs imported from Japan can run you $70 - $100, more for the rare OOP stuff. Anime OSTs go out of print very very fast.
- Marketing and distribution will be done wholly by ADV now. All Geneon will have left is the process of licensing and authoring of DVDs now. I should point out, Geneon has NEVER dubbed their own anime, except for the Tenchi Muyo OAVs and movies. Everything else has been done over the years by Animaze, BangZoom, New Generation, and more recently, Odex.
Not that Geneon did much any marketing to begin with, ever, except to send information flyers to wholesale operations considering to buy allotments of series to sell at their retail operations. You didn't see big posters or magazine ads and such for their titles at Suncoasts like you did ADV or VIz Media.
Meh. You have a certain sector of the fandom that WANTS anime to become more popular and mainstream, yet at the same time, they don't. They need to make up their minds already.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:36 am
Haruki-sama - Marketing and distribution will be done wholly by ADV now. All Geneon will have left is the process of licensing and authoring of DVDs now. I should point out, Geneon has NEVER dubbed their own anime, except for the Tenchi Muyo OAVs and movies. Everything else has been done over the years by Animaze, BangZoom, New Generation, and more recently, Odex. Actually there was an article on Anime News Network yesterday stating that, for an unexplained reason, the deal between Geneon and ADV films has fallen through. Haruki-sama Meh. You have a certain sector of the fandom that WANTS anime to become more popular and mainstream, yet at the same time, they don't. They need to make up their minds already. It's probably a desire to be understood, uncomfortably matched with the desire to be a part of something niche and self-contained.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:10 pm
Calica Actually there was an article on Anime News Network yesterday stating that, for an unexplained reason, the deal between Geneon and ADV films has fallen through. I could post about this on AMC here at Gaia, but the bulk of readers there aren't going to give two flips about it. I've pondered all day, long and hard about how to explain the reasonings this deal fell through, and why by the looks fo things that CPM is all but gone, Media Blasters has only been doing sub-only releases as of late, and why Geneon could possibly be kicking the bucket soon (if things don't change and -fast-) I'll make a long story short by saying right now, the news is NOT looking sunny at all for Geneon, nor the entire North American anime industry. (I should probably throw up a seperate thread on this)
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:10 am
Haruki-sama Thus why stores like FYE and Suncoast have all but left our malls and why Best Buy only carries the 'A-list' titles nowadays. Wow, FYE has? My local mall has one, maybe that's why I never noticed before (they're so expensive though!). I hate people judging dubs. As others have mentioned, a recent example is the Death Note trailer Viz released. How many times does it need to be repeated that they aren't the real VA? And I myself didn't find it all that horrid, I actually liked it a lot (just wish I got a better sample of L's voice). How can you go wrong with Brad Swaile as Light, anyway? It's sad what's happening to Geneon, it was thanks to them that I got into anime in the first place (back when they were Pioneer) with the original Tenchi Muyo! OVA.
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