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Der Freischuetz

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:14 pm


Click here for the full story.

This new ruling by the NCAA states that no NCAA colleges or universities cannot display images that are "hostile and abusive racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery at any of the 88 NCAA championships." What this means is that if your college or university has a Native American nickname, Native American imagery or logo, you have to do something about it. You can't have these things during any championships. The penalties of this include not being given a spot in the playoffs, or not being allowed to host a playoff game.

What are your choices? For one, you could change the name and logo of your school. Or, if you don't do that, you are forced to cover up the name and logo on any paraphernelia you wear, such as jersies.

There are eighteen schools that still use Native American names:
Alcorn State University (Braves)
Central Michigan University (Chippewas)
Catawba College (Indians)
Florida State University (Seminoles)
Midwestern State University (Indians)
University of Utah (Utes)
Indiana University-Pennsylvania (Indians)
Carthage College (Redmen)
Bradley University (Braves)
Arkansas State University (Indians)
Chowan College (Braves)
University of Illinois-Champaign (Illini)
University of Louisiana-Monroe (Indians)
McMurry University (Indians)
Mississippi College (Choctaws)
Newberry College (Indians)
University of North Dakota (Fighting Sioux. This is the university of my hometown.)
Southeastern Oklahoma State University (Savages)

These new rulings apply to all these schools. The goal of this ruling is to prevent any utterance of "racial slurs" that may occur. But here's the problem: 80% of Native Americans support the idea of having a college named after their ethnic group. Not many oppose the idea. This is one of my problems with the new ruling. The other is that those who would say something like "Sioux suck" are yelling at the team, not the ethnic group itself. The NCAA claims it is being "democratic" by satisfying the want of those who do not like the idea of having a college named after thier tribe. This group is a minority. What I get from this is that the NCAA would rather appease the minority, rather than support the majority. That is some of the most backward (not to mention leftist) thinking I've heard.

Maybe I wouldn't care so much if this hasn't been an issue before, or if I lived in an area with a university named after a Native American tribe. Here in Grand Forks, we have the Ralph Engelstad Arena. It's huge, and one of the nicest ice rinks in the United States. Here's the webpage for the place. The logo for the Fighting Sioux is everywhere. It's outside on the building, it's everywhere in the building, and it's the logo on center ice. These would all have to be covered up or removed. Any reference to the "Fighting Sioux" would also have to be removed. That is ridiculous.

Florida State University has already declared it's going to court over this ruling. UND says it's "confused by the ruling, and will give it more thought."

This is completely unfair to us. Plus, it's basically telling those who ARE racist that they've won, because we're forced to change our name. I hope we battle long and hard over this issue.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:53 pm


Here in California, we also have a problem with PC Though running amok and trying to erase history. I live in a county adjoining to Los Angeles county. The Los Angeles county seal has a cross in it, as California's first European settlers were Spanish missionaries who set up a chain of missions along the coast.

Lawyers from the ACLU came along and threatend to huff and to puff and to litigate the county to take it off of the seal, arguing that its presence constituted an endorsement of religion. The county caved in and took it off the seal.

Don't these people have something more, I don't know, productive to do with their lives? scream

You're right, this insistance on PC Thought by the left is ridiculous.

I wonder when they are going to go after my alma mater's mascot: He's a pick carrying prospector (symbolizing the California gold rush). I can imagine them frothing about how he advocates the dispossession of native americans of their land and how mining is enviromentally irresponsible and makes mother earth cry.

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Der Freischuetz

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:56 am


The name of our school has been an issue for a while, now. They argue, that is the Sioux people who do not like the idea of UND being called the Fighting Sioux, that the "fighting" part of the name is incorrect. They claim that the Sioux people were "peaceful," and that they only knew how to fight when the white man came around. Tell that to the Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara tribes who were nearly wiped out by the Sioux.

We've also had problems with the logo. The first one we used copied the Chicago Blackhawks logo. The second, which is my favorite, was a geometrical representaion of a Sioux warrior with a headress (Seen here.). The Sioux people claimed that the logo, the second one, was derrogatory and incorrect. So UND hired a Native American artist to make a new logo (Seen here..) They even complained about that one. They said it was racist and stereotypical. We kept it anyways. There's just no pleasing some people...
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:23 pm


I'm in favor of racial slurs, especially as team names. I really wish we could get more teams out there called "The Rebels" with battle flags.

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Der Freischuetz

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:10 pm


UND's president Charles Cupchella was on ESPN radio talking about the new guidelines, and he totally slams the NCAA. Looks like we're ready to fight..

On a somewhat related note, the NCAA has earned the "Just Shut Up" award for this week from ESPN.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:18 am


great

just what we need more PC stuff

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:29 pm


To make matters worse, PETA has now become involved in this "battle," saying that a college with their team name being the "Gamecocks" should also be added to the list, not that that has anything to do with Native Americans.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:41 pm


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To make matters worse, PETA has now become involved in this "battle," saying that a college with their team name being the "Gamecocks" should also be added to the list, not that that has anything to do with Native Americans.


And I say we just call PETA a bunch of cocks and declare open season on them.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:49 pm


german_bar_wench
Der_Freischuetz
To make matters worse, PETA has now become involved in this "battle," saying that a college with their team name being the "Gamecocks" should also be added to the list, not that that has anything to do with Native Americans.


And I say we just call PETA a bunch of cocks and declare open season on them.


But then they would just form a splinter group called PETAA...

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animal Activists. xd
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am


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Der_Freischuetz
To make matters worse, PETA has now become involved in this "battle," saying that a college with their team name being the "Gamecocks" should also be added to the list, not that that has anything to do with Native Americans.
And I say we just call PETA a bunch of cocks and declare open season on them.
But then they would just form a splinter group called PETAA...

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animal Activists. xd
I'm against that almost as much as I am against PETA's agenda.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:11 pm


rolleyes I remember PETA wanting the 'poor' carriage horses in Central Park to be turned loose on the range to be "free"...talk about signing the death warrants on those animals! And then the scandal about all the kittens and puppies they were supposedly adopting out....turns out they were euthanizing them and throwing the bodies in the dumpster. Open season.....?? Oh, YEAH!!

*starts cleaning her rifle*

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:19 am


Here's something else I find odd: San Diego State University is called the Aztecs. According to the NCAA, you need to ask a tribe for permission before you can name your school after their tribe. But the Aztecs are extinct. So I guess what we have to do is find an extinct tribe so we can get off the list and abuse their name and culture as much as we want! (Sarcasm, how I love you!)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:18 pm


I want to see a mockery of this policy by somebody who either has to get away with it or the NCAA make asses of themselves trying to stop them. Perhaps a Jewish college changing their team name to "The 'Brews" or "The Kikes" or a black college changing their team name to "The Niggers" or "The Coons". I would come up with one for whites, but whites aren't allowed to have colleges anymore.

Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. It would certainly make it obvious how far from sane these policies are.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:08 pm


Oh goody. The NCAA denied our first appeal of the nickname. On to round two, I guess...

We can appeal to two more levels of the NCAA, and if that fails we can take the case to court. I'm certain we won't go down without a long, drawn-out fight.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:08 am


The NCAA is a joke.
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