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What would you decide if you got (someone) pregnant?
  Keep it!
  Open Adoption!
  "Closed" Adoption?
  Abortion.
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WatersMoon110
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:11 pm


I've been thinking about this for a while, and now I suddenly don't know what to post. Maybe the other new thread threw me off a little. *shrug* Maybe I'm just a bit unsure and confused.

I know that I am reaching a point in my life where I would keep an unintended pregnancy. I want to wait to have children until my husband and I are completely ready for them, and I really want to be able to tell my children that we became their parents by choice, not by chance. But I know that sometimes accidents happen, and I feel that I am near enough to being able to afford (emotionally and financially) to take care of a baby, that I might keep a pregnancy.

Right now, I really don't know. I want to be able to finish college, and hold down a job, and be really prepared before I have a baby. But I don't know, for sure, anymore if I could go through with an abortion.

I'm still, for sure, Politically Pro-Choice. I still feel that abortion is a matter of a pregnant woman's bodily domain and must be kept safe and legal until another option is available (artificial wombs or fetal transplant surgery).

I guess I'm asking for opinions, and discussion. And cookies. I like cookies.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:16 pm


Sorry, I don't have any cookies sweatdrop

My personal opinon? Well I won't stop anyone from having an abortion or force them to stay pregnant, I just think abortion is wrong except for a few cases.
There are many options and many places willing to help pregnant woman and poor families and there is also adoption. Some jobs and schools even have daycares and some schools are made just for pregnant woman/teens so I feel there are so many options but most are over looked or people don't even at least think about them before making a final decision. Main problems is some of the systems and health care and they need to seriously be fixed.

Personally I would do all I can to prevent pregnancy (even use EC if I had to and was avible) but once i'm pregnant and it's an embryo or fetus and starts to devolp (I would stop it before the fertilized egg attachs to the uterus) i'll do all I can to take care of myself and the baby and if I feel I don't want it or can't care for it I go with adoption (I would go with the one that would let choose the family I would want to take care of it).

I would only abort if there is an emergency but I would think of all the options first and see what the doctors think and what they can do ( maybe get more then one opinon from other doctors as well if possible).

I'm more personally pro-life I guess you can say. I stayed in this guild cause people seem to understand my reasons more and seem to respect me then people in the pro-choice guild (I left long ago due to the way I was treated).

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:27 pm


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My personal opinon? Well I won't stop anyone from having an abortion or force them to stay pregnant, I just think abortion is wrong except for a few cases.
There are many options and many places willing to help pregnant woman and poor families and there is also adoption. Some jobs and schools even have daycares and some schools are made just for pregnant woman/teens so I feel there are so many options but most are over looked or people don't even at least think about them before making a final decision. Main problems is some of the systems and health care and they need to serious be fixed.

Personally I would do all I can to prevent pregnancy (even use EC if I had to and was avible) but once i'm pregnant and it's an embryo or fetus and starts to devolp (I would stop it before the fertilized egg attachs to the uterus) i'll do all I can to take care of myself and the baby and if I feel I don't want it or can't care for it I go with adoption (I would go with the one that would let choose the family I would want to take care of it).

I would only abort if there is an emergency but I would think of all the options first and see what the doctors think and what they can do ( maybe get more then one opinon from other doctors as well if possible).

I really don't know about the "right" or "wrong" of abortion. I don't think it is a "good" thing, by any means (are there people that do? maybe...), but I can see why it must, ethically, be kept legal at this time.

Personally, I like to hope that most people really do think about all of their options when they have an unintended pregnancy. But, I guess that many people don't really think through anything they do (which confuses me to no end, really, because I think really hard about just about everything I do or might do).

I have thought about Open Adoption also. I think, if I were to become unintentionally pregnant, I might go with this option. If I were to find out I were, like, 6 months pregnant (by some horrible miracle), I definitely would.

Thanks for sharing!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:38 pm


Your welcome.

I understand why people want to kept it legal (especially if needed due to an serious life and death situtation). I'm not trying to ban it but if there are ways to help limit it that would be good I think.
Though the best thing someone can do is to learn about all the options and think cafefully first before making any life long decisions that one could possibly regret.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:52 pm


I can relate to this, truthfully. Though I'd never get an abortion and never would have (I've been pro-life as long as I can remember) when I was younger I was always firm in that, if I were to get pregnant before I finished high school I'd give the baby up for adoption. Unless of course the father wanted to raise him/her in which case he could do that.

Now that I'm no longer in high school the line in quite a bit more murky. I'm an adult now, a university student, and in a longterm loving relationship so the decision on whether to keep the child or not would be a much more difficult one to make. I think in the end I would decide to keep the child, even though I know adoption would be the more responsible option.

Not even just for myself, I don't think JP would want to see his child given up for adoption (as he is adopted).

In terms of abortion legality, I obviously am on the other side of the fence than you, on that topic. =P
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:34 pm


sachiko_sohma
Your welcome.

I understand why people want to kept it legal (especially if needed due to an serious life and death situtation). I'm not trying to ban it but if there are ways to help limit it that would be good I think.
Though the best thing someone can do is to learn about all the options and think cafefully first before making any life long decisions that one could possibly regret.

Right on. I think you might want to limit abortion a tad more than I do (I want to remove non-life-saving 3rd trimester abortion, and I think that a short waiting period might be a good idea), but we basically agree.

I already think a lot about all the different options of what I would do if I got pregnant (hence this thread). I really don't understand how someone could not fully think out any choice they made after finding out they were pregnant.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:37 pm


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I can relate to this, truthfully. Though I'd never get an abortion and never would have (I've been pro-life as long as I can remember) when I was younger I was always firm in that, if I were to get pregnant before I finished high school I'd give the baby up for adoption. Unless of course the father wanted to raise him/her in which case he could do that.

Now that I'm no longer in high school the line in quite a bit more murky. I'm an adult now, a university student, and in a longterm loving relationship so the decision on whether to keep the child or not would be a much more difficult one to make. I think in the end I would decide to keep the child, even though I know adoption would be the more responsible option.

Not even just for myself, I don't think JP would want to see his child given up for adoption (as he is adopted).

In terms of abortion legality, I obviously am on the other side of the fence than you, on that topic. =P

I actually don't know how my husband feels about giving a child up for adoption. I know he would support me, if I chose to abort, as we are both Pro-Choice.

I know I couldn't go through anything but an Open Adoption. I would have to know the people who would be raising my biological offspring, and would like the child to have the option of getting to know their biological parents. And I would totally pick a Gay or Lesbian couple. *big grin*

I mean, I hope to not become pregnant until I want to be. We take precautions to keep a pregnancy from happening. But, if it did, and I did decide to go with Open Adoption, that is what I would do.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:09 am


I cant say much, honostly, that hasnt been said sofar...other then when then if my mother told me I was had by choice...I'd be horrified and insulted. Thats just me though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:17 pm


Tiger of the Fire
I cant say much, honostly, that hasnt been said sofar...other then when then if my mother told me I was had by choice...I'd be horrified and insulted. Thats just me though.
Why? I mean, isn't choosing to keep a pregnancy still a choice? I mean, even if the other choice wasn't considered, it is still an option, so a choice was made.

Or do you mean if you were a planned pregnancy?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:35 pm


I wasn't planned at all, and it doesn't bother me. Now what would bother me is if my mother ever told me she considered abortion (although it was El Salvador so she didn't have a legal choice, but still). It's never settling to know that at one point in your life, you where like an insect. Where your only protection, was from the one who chose to keep you. Although, this doesn't really apply to me, since my country was pro-life.

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divineseraph

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:45 pm


So, wait, he'd support you if you killed it but not if you gave it up? That is akward logic to say the least.

But flawed logic aside, I'm not in a position to get a woman pregnant, and wouldn't have sex if given the option. I'm pretty sure I'm actually asexual. I care more about emotion than sex, so it's simpy not a viable situation for me.

A lot of choicers, I've noticed, will say "Oh, put yourself in a pregnant woman's shoes!"- I don't need to, for if I were in a woman's body, I still wouldn't have sex (Consensual anyway), and therefroe I wouldn't be pregnant to begin with.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:59 pm


WatersMoon110
Tiger of the Fire
I cant say much, honostly, that hasnt been said sofar...other then when then if my mother told me I was had by choice...I'd be horrified and insulted. Thats just me though.
Why? I mean, isn't choosing to keep a pregnancy still a choice? I mean, even if the other choice wasn't considered, it is still an option, so a choice was made.

Or do you mean if you were a planned pregnancy?


My mother once said somethign to me that I'd rather not go into, when I was younger. But, to answer your question...or atleast mabey passify your statement...which ever. I would consider it horri because of how the idea of telling your children that they were chosen seems to trivialize their lives, atleast it does to me. The idea of simply saying "I chose to have you" can make it sound as thouh their life was only let to burn and fluish because it was at a time that was not an inconvinience. It makes it sound as though the idea of your mother at some other point in time choosing not to have you seem more apparent, and far more real. The reason why such words have such an inpact on me is combined with what my mother once said when i was younger and she was angry, and the fact that I latter learned she ws both personaly and politicly pro-choice. Many people would consider themselves blessed. Such a feeling is comparable to greed and selfishness as far as I'm concerned in this situation. "I'm here because my mother chose me, yippy" and never considering their mother could not have chosen them. I'm convinced most dont, as every one I've met who has, is horrified by the thought.

The short answer to this would be: A child chosen is not blessed, but lucky.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:58 am


divineseraph
So, wait, he'd support you if you killed it but not if you gave it up? That is akward logic to say the least.

Oh - he would. I didn't post that in here? redface I must have forgotten.

No, we talked about it. He said he would support me no matter what. I just hadn't actually discussed it with him, and since it would be his DNA potentially involved too, I didn't know what he thought about it.
divineseraph
But flawed logic aside, I'm not in a position to get a woman pregnant, and wouldn't have sex if given the option. I'm pretty sure I'm actually asexual. I care more about emotion than sex, so it's simpy not a viable situation for me.

A lot of choicers, I've noticed, will say "Oh, put yourself in a pregnant woman's shoes!"- I don't need to, for if I were in a woman's body, I still wouldn't have sex (Consensual anyway), and therefroe I wouldn't be pregnant to begin with.
That is very interesting. On of my friend's sisters is asexual.

But for the majority of other people, especially adults in long-term relationships, not having sex really isn't an option. That whole, having a sex drive and being with someone who one wants to have sex with, really sort of gets in the way.

I mean, obviously if you are asexual, it would probably not be within your imagination to pretend to have a sex drive (kind of like asking a blind from birth person to pretend to have sight). But do you understand that other people do work in ways different from you?

Not trying to insult you at all, I was just wondering. Because, for me, it is almost impossible to imagine not having a sex drive, since I am a rather sexual being. *shrug* So I figured it would probably be pretty hard for you to see things the other way as well. I mean, other people must seem pretty different to you, since the majority of them are doing some pretty strange things (to say the least) to satisfy a drive that you don't have.

Not that having a sex drive is a reason to get an abortion. Like people in the other thread have stated, it is totally possible to have safer sex, not wish to become pregnant (at this time), and be Pro-Life.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:07 am


Tiger of the Fire
My mother once said somethign to me that I'd rather not go into, when I was younger.

Sorry, I didn't mean to seem to pry into something that is so painful and personal to you.

Mothers can be pretty horrible. My mother has told me (more than once, actually) that having children ruined her life (isn't that a wonderful thing to say to your child?).
Tiger of the Fire
But, to answer your question...or atleast mabey passify your statement...which ever. I would consider it horri because of how the idea of telling your children that they were chosen seems to trivialize their lives, atleast it does to me. The idea of simply saying "I chose to have you" can make it sound as thouh their life was only let to burn and fluish because it was at a time that was not an inconvinience. It makes it sound as though the idea of your mother at some other point in time choosing not to have you seem more apparent, and far more real. The reason why such words have such an inpact on me is combined with what my mother once said when i was younger and she was angry, and the fact that I latter learned she ws both personaly and politicly pro-choice. Many people would consider themselves blessed. Such a feeling is comparable to greed and selfishness as far as I'm concerned in this situation. "I'm here because my mother chose me, yippy" and never considering their mother could not have chosen them. I'm convinced most dont, as every one I've met who has, is horrified by the thought.

That makes sense, thank you for answering my question.

I feel differently on the matter, and I have considered the possibility that, since my mother was/is Pro-Choice, that she could have terminated the unborn human that grew into me.
Tiger of the Fire
The short answer to this would be: A child chosen is not blessed, but lucky.

I think it's a little mean to say that a chosen child is not blessed. But I guess I do see the point you are trying to make (that it seems rather odd to you when people are proud of their mothers choosing not to terminate their pregnancies and prevent them from being born).

I'm a little proud of being a planned pregnancy, though. I really want for my kid to know that I had them because I wanted them. But that is just me.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:48 am


WatersMoon110
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My mother once said somethign to me that I'd rather not go into, when I was younger.

Sorry, I didn't mean to seem to pry into something that is so painful and personal to you.

Mothers can be pretty horrible. My mother has told me (more than once, actually) that having children ruined her life (isn't that a wonderful thing to say to your child?).
Tiger of the Fire
But, to answer your question...or atleast mabey passify your statement...which ever. I would consider it horri because of how the idea of telling your children that they were chosen seems to trivialize their lives, atleast it does to me. The idea of simply saying "I chose to have you" can make it sound as thouh their life was only let to burn and fluish because it was at a time that was not an inconvinience. It makes it sound as though the idea of your mother at some other point in time choosing not to have you seem more apparent, and far more real. The reason why such words have such an inpact on me is combined with what my mother once said when i was younger and she was angry, and the fact that I latter learned she ws both personaly and politicly pro-choice. Many people would consider themselves blessed. Such a feeling is comparable to greed and selfishness as far as I'm concerned in this situation. "I'm here because my mother chose me, yippy" and never considering their mother could not have chosen them. I'm convinced most dont, as every one I've met who has, is horrified by the thought.

That makes sense, thank you for answering my question.

I feel differently on the matter, and I have considered the possibility that, since my mother was/is Pro-Choice, that she could have terminated the unborn human that grew into me.
Tiger of the Fire
The short answer to this would be: A child chosen is not blessed, but lucky.

I think it's a little mean to say that a chosen child is not blessed. But I guess I do see the point you are trying to make (that it seems rather odd to you when people are proud of their mothers choosing not to terminate their pregnancies and prevent them from being born).

I'm a little proud of being a planned pregnancy, though. I really want for my kid to know that I had them because I wanted them. But that is just me.

Haha on a similar note;

I was a planned pregnancy (though my mother is pro-life so even if I wasn't I still would have been born) and it took my parents about 4 years of trying to actually get pregnant with me. To the point where they thought they actually couldn't get pregnant and were looking into adoption.

Anyway, when I was 7 months old my mother got pregnant with my sister and was like "Ho'damn" because I mean, they thought it would be really difficult to get pregnant again and were NOT planning on having another child so soon after they'd had me.

So whenever Leigha and I tease each other I say "Oh yeah? Well at least I wasn't a mistake!" and my mom comes in and goes to Leigha "You weren't a mistake! You were a surprise!"

Anyway, my opinion on the subject is that as long as you love your children, I don't think they're really going to be like "My mom is pro-whatever she must not love me as much as anti-whatever's love their children!"

Of course being pro-life I see it somewhat from that perspective, that it's nice to know that my mother would have loved me whether or not she'd been planning me or not. But I think it's kind of unfair to assume that some people love their children more than others based on their political stance.
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