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 Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:36 pm
I honestly don't know how to start this off, since when I first hit the New Topic button, I've cleared out this little white box and started over around three times. I'll start with a little about my FFXI career. I started when the PS2 version got released and have been playing ever since. Sometime last year, I moved on over to the computer where I've continued without problem... Although, there have been problems.
Between 30 and 70 people would always compliment me on how well I did my job. This made me happy and I continued to do as well as I could. I hit 75 on my first job (red mage) about a year after I began, mainly because I was preoccupied with a girlfriend who ultimately dumped me for some other guy (who she later found out was a lesbian playing a male char). Anyway, during that time I helped her do a lot of things since I was a few levels above her. There was one instance, whilst doing LB2, that we got some help from some high level chars. They were bossy, rude, and were obviously showing off over all. I told her, at that time, that I promised I wouldn't ever be like them.
Time went on and eventually I hit 75 (as mentioned above). I kept to my promise even though she left me. Because of this, I ended up Joyeuse-less, Scorpion Harness-less, and Abjuration-Armor-less for the rest of two years. As 75, I noticed I did not fit into the "society" formed by other level 75 characters, due mainly to the fact that they saw me as being lower than them due to my equipment. I ofcourse retaliated and began saving up gil. I ended off buying a common Errant set which was "top of the line" back then. I continued leveling just to cap off Rdm's xp, then I moved on to Ninja.
Around March of this year, I hit Nin75. By this time, the level of eliteness people showed was much higher, with abjurational armor, +1 Relic/Artifact, and Assault-armor sets everywhere. This was the beginning of Merits and Imperial Standing.
I unfortunately, couldn't keep up due to my job. I couldn't do 9+ hours of meriting a day to fill up my bazaar message with "WAR/SAM/NIN/PLD/BLM75 Merits: 152". It seems that's what 75 is all about. These are the people who get picked for Assaults, Sky, Sea, etc... not people who have just a single 75 job. The more merits you have, the better apparantly.
And this is where my main rant comes in. Today I got into a heated argument with an ex-friend of mine. Every day I sign on, she sends me a /tell. It's usually "Hey" or "Hi" or "/wave" so I'll always respond. Thing is, that she only seeks me out whenever she is forming a pt and/or wants some rare/ex item. If I can't help her, she usually just "np"'s me and doesn't talk to me again for the rest of the day. When I do actually agree, she bosses everyone around to hurry so she can get merits. She has like 9 jobs at 75, and apparantly only one is not capped in merits. Is this why people adore her so much? Is that why even though she is vehemently bossy people still crowd around her as though she were some pillar of gold? She tried to tell me how to do my job although I was doing the best I could, she told me that I sucked since I couldn't land a particular Silence on a mob even though my Enfeebling was capped. Everyone in the pt sided on her on that and so I just left (forced DC).
My question is, do I have to be some sort of mean, uncaring p***k when I hit 75 in order to be liked? To be accepted? After all, I still don't have a Joyeuse and it appears to me that every callous/heartless person on the server has one. I've met a few PLD's that don't have a Joyeuse, and they appear to be nice and sincere.
~Dramanue de la Rosa Negra
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:10 am
I honestly feel for you man. A couple months ago a pal of mine (kinda) asked me if I'd help him get his pup test, and I said sure when I have the time. EVER since then he's always just telled me wanting something. He never says hi, never converses, never wants to just hang or do things, it's always just "Clouddy, I need this" or to complain how all 75's are jack-asses to me, etc, and how the game sucks.
So I got tired of it yesterday and told him I was tired of it. I really don't want to help someone who does nothing but ask me for this and that. I mean, I like helping, but jesus, TALK to me, converse with me, be my friend. Suddenly because I told him how it is, I became "Like all other 75's", too wrapped up in my own end-game s**t to care about other people. Oh really now? The ONLY end-game thing I really do is Dynamis, unless you count spending around 2hrs doing Nyzul isle once a week as an "end-game thing".
I only have one job to 75, and thats WHM. A lot of people look down on 75's, and yeah, some are show-offs, snide, concieted, but from our stand-point, so many people EXPECT us to help everyone else all the time. I hate when people expect help, you should never -expect- it. It's like we're not allowed to do our own thing and enjoy the game. It took me over a year to get whm to 75 because I was constantly helping others at a low lvl. Is it wrong to want to say, try and get better gear?
As for having to have all this crap to be liked, I don't think so. Admittingly, I've had MANY great friends since the day I began this game, and I'm very well known and liked on my server despite only having one 75 and a grand total of around 12 merits. And about the most grandest piece I have is a Noble's Tunic, which now is far too cheap and far too common to really be anything. I spent over a month in the mines getting mine back when it was 3+mil. Almost my entire FFXI career I've had friends randomly help me, randomly pl me, everything you can think of, and they have never once expected anything from me since I've become 75. I do the same with them, helping them out when they need it, even if they don't ask. Hell, I don't even have a single piece of relic gear, or any of that fancy crap. And on the whole assaults etc thing, even before I got 75 I had offers to go into Sky ls's, Dynamis, etc, you name it.
Some people say it's because I chose whm as my 75, but again, I've never really been expected to help or to do this and that. There are plenty of people with mediocre gear and merits who do a WAY better job than most geared to the teeth players. Sure they help but you can still be a great player without, and you're not "less of a player" if you don't constantly lvl or merit. All those people who make 'em out to be a big deal are probably just egotistical attention-seekers trying to fill a void in what little life they have. Oh wow, you have no life, you can blow your entire day doing nothing but meriting, good for you. The few times I've had people rub that crap in my face, I gave them a big slap in the face by saying "At least I have friends and a life outside of this computer, unlike you it seems."
Anyways...I'll end my rant lol. Thats just my 2 cents. Hope it helped.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:22 pm
Well, I do not have a single job to 75. I've been playing since a bit after the release for the PS2 (though I play on PC) and have started over once. Starting when I was about level 15, I have been in "social HNM LS". I give it that title because, starting off, everyone was friends, everyone (but myself) had a level 75 job, everyone who had been playing for awhile knew the LS by name, they had a set scedule to fight gods (Kirin and whatnot), end-game missions, dymanises...etc. Though points were not given out for specific outtings, our ls did pretty well getting everyone the gear they needed without fighting. Why was I in this LS? Simply because my 75rdm brother was a sackholder.
My view on 75's was never harsh. I had so many people in my LS who seemed to be constantly helping each other. Also, there was not a time where the chat window stopped scrolling. Everyone had a great time, and I remember many party members getting upset with me because I wasn't paying attention. (So my main is mnk now lmao!)
Sadly, anticipation for end-game was building in many of our members. Some of our most frequent, friendly, hilarious people were getting real HNM LSs. Starting out just going to that other LS's dynamis runs, than almost leaving us completely. When this started happening, we found it harder to get events done for our LS members because everyone started to be too occupied. There's so much you can do at 75 - many players don't want to do the little events and missions we used to have so much fun doing.
Slowly but surely, fights started to break out in the LS. People were more sensative, and fed up with how our LS was turning out. After a period of people coming and going from the LS, our shellholder just disappeared for awhile. He finally appeared back on our forums after a couple months to see that everything had just gotten worse, and we were half the size of what we were. I'm assuming it hit him pretty hard, after we had years of bliss. He concluded that he wasn't a good enough leader to control a LS like this. That's when the LS broke, and we basically split in two.
Most of us have merged back into one LS, but we aren't hardly as social as we used to be. Everyone seems very much into their own business, and don't even have the courtesy so say "" or "" to each other. I actually get depressed everytime I sign on just to see curt responses, if any, from my old friends.
To you 75ers who don't gloat about your jobs/merits. Who don't feel that anything capped is ridiculous. Who can actually enjoy FFXI without having top notch gear. Who will just log on in the middle of the day to chat with your buddies online... kudos.
I used to be so anxious to become 75. Now I'm not sure if it's really what it is cracked up to be. Even my brother has quit because of our break, and will only return if he gets into this HNM ls. I guess I'm just a silly girl for thinking that the social aspect of a MMORPG is important.
64 monk right now, hopefully things change by the time I get up there.
confused
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:18 pm
I've been playing for 3 years and I don't have a level 75 job yet. I do have rank 10 in my nation, sky and sea, I do have "ok" equip for my level the last time I checked. But I have yet to do any Aht Urghan missions or try salvage and assualts, let alone do I "anticipate" the new expansion.
I'm a few levels away from 75 but I actually don't want to cross the line. It's all about regularly doing dynamis, sky, sea, limbus, assualts and salvage apparently none I have no interest in. Heed the key word regularly, as if trying to find a ls who does these isn't already hard enough. It's not just the equip but you already have to have the experience to get the experience you know what I mean?
No one wants to help out or make friends anymore. People are so preoccupied and obsessed about pimping up their virutal character and doing it as fast as they can. You don't just see it when you turn 75 either. You can't go through the dunes, jungle and CN without someone saying, "I want to hurry and get this sub/job leveled so that big bad elite ls will invite me".Bottle To you 75ers who don't gloat about your jobs/merits. Who don't feel that anything capped is ridiculous. Who can actually enjoy FFXI without having top notch gear. Who will just log on in the middle of the day to chat with your buddies online... kudos.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:50 pm
I've had a lot of people complain/comment on FFXI how it's too "group" oriented, as in almost everything you need other people to do something. Mainly these are the hardcore solo WoWers.
Honestly, why play an MMORPG if you don't want to socialize? That's kinda what sets an online game apart from one you could play on your ps2 or something. So I don't get when people who play an MMORPG never want to talk or socialize.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:50 pm
I personally think the group aspect has ups and down,...
People who dont like socialising might just do it to achieve something, I dont know...
When I started I was really scared of partying, thought people would be really pissed if I messed up and such and I would have prefered to solo, but the more I partied the more I got the hang on it.
On the other hand I guess there are things you just need people for and sometimes you can't find people doing, lets say, a Mission with you that you cant complete soloing and that can be frustrating too.
As for highlevels, I think if many of them are bossy (I have nothing near 75, and all my friends that do are really nice and not all have any uber-equips) then, if you realise that you simply shouldnt be. Make a difference and find other people who cannot afford to get all the best stuff.
I think having fun in the game and making friends is worth more than having the best equips but being a d**k to anyone who doesnt.
Also, the 75s I know greatly helped me so far, escorting me and spending hours doing missions with me. I did not ask for that help and when it was offered I tried to make sure that I am not keeping the people from anything they'd rather do, because as much as I'd like to, being only like, level 30 there isnt much I can do to 'pay back' a favour to someone who is at level 75...
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:58 pm
Thanks for the replies, it's nice to see that others do in fact see this trend. What I am not seeing, though, are replies from other 75's. Am I the only 75 on this thread? Did it take a 75 to stand up against the other 75's? I don't have a social LS, nor a Dynamis or a Sea or whatever LS. I don't have any relic gear, and to be quite honest, I'd love to have some relic gear (if atleast for my Rdm). I want a Joyeuse. It's not like, "Here, I have this Joyeuse, now bow before me" either... it's just that, well, I like the look of it. And yes, I know that Verdun has the same model/color, but still, just to have the Joyeuse.
I remember helping this girl out once with getting her Hakutaku eyes and then her Optical Hat. She told me she'd never remove it because that made her so elite. I didn't want an Optical Hat, in fact, I helped a different girl do the same thing, but she also offered to help me get mine, so we farmed two full sets of eyes. I really couldn't care less for the hat, but I wanted to see her happy. On the night of the run, we got her hat, but we wiped on mine. She felt devestated and continuously blamed herself for the incident. I told her that it was ok, that I could get the hat some other time and that I was atleast happy that she had hers. Yes, the hat has awesome stats and all, but I really don't like... well... the look of it. I'll farm myself gil and buy myself a Peacock Charm and a Emperor's Hairpin and I'll be fine.
I remember being on my Nin75 once and being mocked because I didn't have an Optical Hat. (Someone) points at Dramanue and laughs. "You're not a nin without an Ohat n00b" was one of the mature quotes I remember seeing in Whitegate. I still went on without one and just barely got ahold of a Scorp Harness and a Hauby. These are things I had to obtain on my own. No outside help, aside from the negative influences from others.
And you know what else? If having a Scorp Harness or a Hauby is a sign of so-called "leetness", well you have another thing coming. Even after purchasing them, I can barely see an increase in my hit/damage/evasion rate. I was fine with my Nin AF, fine with my Yasha Samue.
I just spent an hour and a half in a merit party. It was fun, it was enjoyable, and I couldn't think of a single moment that I wanted to leave. At the end, I got a comment from the leader, "You were great ^^". This at last made me smile, since the leader from yesterday's party (my previously mentioned ex-friend; see original post) told me I sucked.
Do I do it out of greed or power? Will I lead my party into possible death just so I can get that final merit of the day? Will I continue pulling when two people are afk or after a member died just to get that last merit?
No.
Is it negative comments that drive me to better myself? I've always noticed this trend in me. If that girl had not told me I sucked, would I have merited today? Probably not, I probably would have been content in myself. Is it the positive recognition of today that makes me want to continue meriting only to see the smiles on others' faces?
Definitely.
I will better myself, but not for the contentment of other 75's but for the smiles of those I may be able to help someday. I may never have a Joyeuse, but perhaps someday, someone will see that I atleast tried.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:51 pm
:: Points to her post::
I'm a WHM 75 lol, only job to 75 =P
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:51 pm
I haven't hit 75 (probably won't for a long long long time) ; ; so I don't know how it feels to be bossy ^^, but probably the higher you are in most games the more "Holier then thou" you feel towards others. The thing is I don't like playing like that ; ; it makes the game unfun at times... and having to spend hours upon hours just to get stronger and compete with other people for bragging rights(in this case levels, merits, armor(ok armor depending on what you are going is a + but still...) like I said doesn't seem fun when you could just play the game.
Also... to ask for help then be bossy is a bit overboard if you asked me, because I spent 1 month(would had been faster but you can't do much with only 3 hours to play most days) trying to do LB1(genkai 1) and only got everything but the skeleton. I had a dragoon friend who need to do his AF1 and kill a mob so I was like "If I help you would you help me get the skeleton?^^" and he was like "sure!". I mean not even once during the time I helped him and while we fought the skele for LB1 did i say "Hurry it up! Next mob!" or of that sort ; ;, because they were helping me....
Lol, one more thing is that my bazaar message is filled with those that either left FFXI or had move to another world(before they allowed world switching I think)
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:19 am
I'd just like to add that I don't think FFXI always used to be this way. Now we have very few new players coming in, the majority of players are trying to do end-game things and competing with each other. Making things like 2nd, 3rd, etc jobs and merits pleasing to party leaders and shell holders.
I really think SE should stop expanding end-game so much, and focus on things that can be done with lower levels also, maybe cap some new features? If done strategically, I'd think this would be beneficial for their profit (not as many pissed off players quitting) and make it an over-all more enjoyable game.
Any of you on Valefor? Our server needs a few more people who aren't complete jerks/idiots. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:13 am
Bottle I really think SE should stop expanding end-game so much, and focus on things that can be done with lower levels also, maybe cap some new features? This is what they did with the CoP expansion I remember. All the Promathia missions were low level caps to start off with (30, 40, etc) and I remember that some of the new armor sets back then were aimed towards low levels (Trader's set was 20, Seer's/Noct was 29). Now it's all about 75. Nearly every new set is for 75 and I rarely see any new 20-50 gear out and if so, you need to be far ahead in the Aht Urghan storyline to obtain or have loads of gil to spend (Faruz's Ring (sp?) is a level 50 rare/ex ring which increases Corsair Rolls, you need to buy this with 4000 Imperial Standing Points). So either way you look at it, you still need to be 70+ to obtain some of the newer equipments. Yes, true, some of the endgame stuff might be beautiful (if you stare at the title screen long enough you'll see Sea), but some of us just don't have those things. SE needs to hurry up and return to its roots with new low level stuff. I hope that WoTG turns out to be like CoP with new content for low level characters.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:47 am
Dramanue Bottle I really think SE should stop expanding end-game so much, and focus on things that can be done with lower levels also, maybe cap some new features? This is what they did with the CoP expansion I remember. All the Promathia missions were low level caps to start off with (30, 40, etc) and I remember that some of the new armor sets back then were aimed towards low levels (Trader's set was 20, Seer's/Noct was 29). Now it's all about 75. Nearly every new set is for 75 and I rarely see any new 20-50 gear out and if so, you need to be far ahead in the Aht Urghan storyline to obtain or have loads of gil to spend (Faruz's Ring (sp?) is a level 50 rare/ex ring which increases Corsair Rolls, you need to buy this with 4000 Imperial Standing Points). So either way you look at it, you still need to be 70+ to obtain some of the newer equipments. Yes, true, some of the endgame stuff might be beautiful (if you stare at the title screen long enough you'll see Sea), but some of us just don't have those things. SE needs to hurry up and return to its roots with new low level stuff. I hope that WoTG turns out to be like CoP with new content for low level characters. I absolutely loved CoP. Not only were these missions capped, but they were also mildly difficult. Even the lvl 30 players in the promys had to know what they were doing to get past them. They took time to get done, the storyline was great, and it wasn't just a couple 75's doing a mission for their lower level friend. Aht Urghan did set out a bit of armor for 40-60 range, am I right? And you're absolutely right, you had to do quite a bit of the quests there to get ahold of these. Something that makes it very hard for players who actually are these levels to get. So your higher levels get ahold of these, and sell them with a jacked up price. I really miss the ol' Jeuno days... I hope Wings of The Goddess turns things around. If it doesn't, I'm planning a terrorist attack on Square-Enix. Anyone with me?! /hurrah!
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:55 pm
Isn't it /hooray?
Most of the Aht Urghan lower level stuff is Rare/Ex so you really don't need to worry about jacked up prices on low level stuff. If anything, the fact that you need to make your artifacts out of materials you get from high level Aht Urghan areas rather puts me off from leveling Pup/Cor/Blu. I'm not even done with Samurai, and that was, what, the first expansion?
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:25 pm
To me I believe SE should make the lower levels enjoyable... or make it a little easier to level now that not as many people seem to be in the lower levels. I mean what used to barely take around 30 minutes or less to get a party in Valkurm/Qufim/Yuhtunga now seems to take like an hour or more to actually get a party. It was nice that they introduced more jobs, and maybe introducing more jobs might help... but too much expansion of jobs isn't a good idea ^^. As much as I don't mind waiting for parties at higher levels, just waiting for a party at the lower levels for a long time seems ridiculous if you asked me... and therefore to stream more new players to FFXI SE needs to make the lower levels... like I said more enjoyable for the newer players and less wait then suppose to O.O.
And like you guys said a lot of the expansion do seem to involve end game more then the lower levels O.o. I mean seriously... getting to do job quest for cor/blu/pup was a pain in the butt ; ; I died a few times even with sneak and invisible....(of course there are mobs with true sight >.>). I mean most of the mobs around there are all 60+ >.> which is difficult to maneuver around undetected. I went BLM/WHM(level 51) and it was a pain to do... I can't imagine how a first time leveler to 30 who wants to do advanced job to one of the three will feel trying to do a quest that involves going around level 60's >.> and to do the quest to even get to Art Uhgan might make them want to go to a different job.
Lol hopefully when Wings of The Goddess do come it hopefully it involves around running around the old Jeuno/Windurst/San D'oria/ Bastok ^^ (and possibly when the Galka live around the Kuzot region, and of course Tavnazia was still connected). The thing is now that i think about it... if it does go that far... then that means that mobs can run rampant around the Area's o.o.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:26 am
UchihaObito916 To me I believe SE should make the lower levels enjoyable... or make it a little easier to level now that not as many people seem to be in the lower levels. I mean what used to barely take around 30 minutes or less to get a party in Valkurm/Qufim/Yuhtunga now seems to take like an hour or more to actually get a party. It was nice that they introduced more jobs, and maybe introducing more jobs might help... but too much expansion of jobs isn't a good idea ^^. As much as I don't mind waiting for parties at higher levels, just waiting for a party at the lower levels for a long time seems ridiculous if you asked me... and therefore to stream more new players to FFXI SE needs to make the lower levels... like I said more enjoyable for the newer players and less wait then suppose to O.O. Ugh, yea, I am a new player, thus lowish level and all.... and waiting times are quite ridiculous at the Dunes for me at the moment. Just thinking that yesterday I spent SIX hours sitting there waiting for a party on my Bard....while a BLM Ls mate spent three hours waiting and then having the party break after 30 mins. And I am actually one of the people who find the Dunes enjoyable, despite the fact that parties are often ...soso.... I just find it amusing leveling there, but not sitting around for hours before I decide to call it a day and go back to Windurst.
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