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 Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:58 pm
If all the Giants in all of Faerun banded together frost moutain and other and a created a great kingdom. Then all the Dragons of Faerun did the same who do you think would win if the two nations went to war? Also what do you think the two respective kingdoms would be like?
I think either way the entire human race would be fodder.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:40 pm
lol yeah to probably would mean hell on earth for humans. but i personnlly think dragons would win. but im pretty sure that the giant population is much bigger than the dragons. but i really dont have a clue. xd
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:51 pm
You know I love giants I really really do but in all honesty dragons are some of the most powerful casters in the world. Also even with out there spell casting ability they are so naturally formidable it's not even funny.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:00 pm
apparently all it takes is one icicle to take a dragon down...
but i say giants win, because they have a structure hilldragons are greedy by nature and the chromatic dragons would be infighting and the metallic dragons would be banded together against the chromatic dragons, soon as the chromatic dragons were down, the metallic dragons would return to their respective areas...leaving the giants to rule...
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:48 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:53 pm
Normally I would say Dragons, but Orion has a point
(I keep wanting to call you 'Onion' for some reason sweatdrop )
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:42 am
crying Onion...because i smell and make people cry...
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:06 am
I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:22 am
lol but if a dragon blew up a catapult with his fire or something then even more heads(giants) will roll
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:40 am
well you know giants are more numerous, they also tend to take class levels, and we all know that class levels are better then racial levels and most templates baring 30 templates lol.
so what we have here is a few dragons powerful albet killable.
compared to many giants also powerful but on a one on one basis not as powerful as dragons.
if we set aside both races temperments to not get along it is a simple numbers game, all it would take is one or two giants with a few class levels among some giants without class levels to turn the tide.
Not to mention the Epic giants or the ones from various later monster manuals.
so basically what we have here is another elf vs human war, and we all know how that went down right?
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:59 am
xp i feel so stupid but no tell meh. but i do think i can guess
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:40 pm
Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided...
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:20 pm
Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:27 pm
Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:51 pm
Leto atreides Tsukikage Knight Orion Daermon Leto atreides I hear where you are coming from as far as the in fighting goes, but war combined with the emergence of a commonly hated enemy and or threat tends to be an extremely potent unification tool. While I don't think the giants could when the war I don't see them as something that dragons could just shrug off either. Last night I was just thinking of it in terms of one on one fights but there is so much more to that in war. A large part of the advantage for the dragons is there ability to fly among all there other natural abilities lol. But as Dame Gerti shows there are some frost giant caster of no small talent even if other giant races are to step to use magic. And giant seeg weapons can be devastating wither used in attack or defense. Fill some giant catapults with bolders and shale maybe even some barrels of oil of impact mixed with shrapnel and I think a few scales will fly. i see what you're getting at, but remember that dragons will stick to their own territories, barring that, they still come up with the problem of chromatic vs. metallic dragons which are evil and good, respectively. there would be too much infighting for them to properly organize, and whilst giants travel in pairs and groups, dragons travel alone, taking into account Tsukikage Knight's post, this alone would be enough to have most fights end one-sided... not to mention it is more then good vs evil a lot of people forget the gem dragons, the planar dragons, prismantic, force, psudonatural dragons, not to mention the anti dragon draconic monsters like linowurms (sp) Dragon hunters anyone? and we all know one circle of high elves can fell an entire flight of dragons. but the same could be said for giants albet a smaller number. The both of you make very fine points but still the title is nations at war so we are assuming that the dragons can step outside there individualistic nature in this instance to from a bond in hopes of something greater. Even if the chromatic and metallic form two separate nations making it three total. We still have two full blown kingdoms of dragons living amongest each other doing something thats never truly been done before by dragons. Which causes me to think that the only true infighting will be among the chromatic dragons with there nation resembling some thing close to that of drow society. I can see the metallic and giants forging a truce of sorts. And if there was a red powerful enough to cow all the others into submission the chromatic nation mite not be as easily defeated as every one seems to think. What I'm asking for here is not a dozen reasons why it could never work but for all of us to think outside the box and then figure out what you think mite happen if it did work. I believe those reasons were given. Dragon nation = Elf Nations Giants = Human Nations The further information was as simple as to debase the idea of it happening at all inside of or outside of any boxes. As a side note will the boxes be participating in this nation war?
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