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snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:01 pm


Hello there my gaian friends.

I thought we could have a topic here for any type of Gospel questions anyone might have. You can ask anything you want and anyone can answer.

This is also a place you can get ideas for any talks you might have coming up.

I'm trying to get more activity in this room. Please come by and post here more often. I guarantee it won't be a waste of your time. This is somewhere we can really grow and learn and the more who participate, the more everyone will gain. It is one of those things where the total is more than just the sum of the parts.

If you don't have a question and don't have a talk coming up, you can share something cool you learned at church or at mutual or at home while reading your scriptures. smile
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:44 pm


Sometimes church is boring. is there any way too make if funner

Kung_fuu_kid


Vinstepula

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:09 pm


Aw church isn't boring. It is a lot of fun. It all depends on what you out look is on it.
If you want funny, listen to some of John Bytheway's talks. He puts a lot of humor into the gospel. Good clean humor. razz
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:36 pm


That's a good point that Vin makes. There are talk-tapes by some leaders of the church that are really funny. She mentioned Bytheway and he IS really funny. Other good (and funny) speakers are Blaine Yorgansun, Paul H. Dunn and many others.

As far as church being boring, I admit that sometimes I get a little bored also. Sometimes I realize that I need to pay better attention to the speakers. However, if it seems like you are going to go crazy because you are so bored, there are some things you can do to entertain yourself. One thing that is worthwhile to do, and very helpful is to mark all the footnotes that have JST next to it. JST stands for Joseph Smith Translation. Our first prophet was going throu the Bible and making inspired changes to it. He was killed before he finished. However, for all the verses that he finished, they are all listed in our Bible at the bottom of the page with all the other footnotes. Those changes can be extremely important abd critical in understanding the Bible. So, if you have colored pencils, you can color all the places where it says JST at the bottom of the page. One very important change (in my opinion) is in Exodus when Moses is speaking the the Pharoah (sp?) in Egypt. Moses keeps talking to him and the Pharoah keeps changing his mind about letting the Israelites go. The Bible says the "The Lord hardened the Pharoah's heart." That always used to bother me. That was another reason I would get in trouble in my catechism class. Anyhoo, I was really pleased when I found out that through inspiration Joseph Smith changed it to "And pharoah hardend his heart." This makes much more sense. The Lord wouldn't cause anyone to sin.

Well, I kind of got off subject, but anyway that is one thing you can do if you get bored. Or you can just read the scriptures. But, the best thing you can do is pay more attention to the speaker; look up the scriptures the person references, and pray that you can be more in tune so that you understand more.

snaksie
Crew


Zueki

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:20 pm


I've always wondered about something it says in the scriptures how God made many worlds. But did those worlds have saviors or was there only Jesus and they have scriptures that talk about a savior on another planet called Earth. I know they have the gospel, prophets, priesthood ect. but do they have the same gospel stories or there own stories and saviors ect. ((I know thats way confusing but I can't put it into simpler words, If you can understand it I'd like to hear your opinion.))

and heres another...The world is said to be 6,000 years old, but what about the dinosaur bones they have found here, that are millions of years old. I have a few theories; 1. It says god took parts of other worlds and put them together to make Earth, and maybe the bones were already on the parts they took over 2. It says that it took god 7 days to make Earth, but we don't know exacually how long 7 days is to God. Days just represent periods of time. Each day could have been 100,000,000 years for all we know, and thats when the dinosaurs lived and died.

Its all just way confusing I'd appreciate a few opinions.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:56 pm


Holy moly Whitney...You sure ask some great questions. Now, I need to let you know, some of the info I give you will be official chrch doctrine and some will be my opinion. I will do my best to tell you the difference. Also, you need to know that the answers I give you are not necessarily what I would tell a non-member. In all questions, you need to know who your audience is. Like the scriptures say "milk before the meat." Based on what I know about you and judging from some of our previous conversations, I believe you are passed the milk stage on most gospel subjects. Soooooo, with that introduction, let's bend our minds a little and look past the obvious and see if we can deduce some deeper doctrine on these subjects. eek

WhitneyMJ
God made many worlds. But did those worlds have saviors or was there only Jesus and they have scriptures that talk about a savior on another planet called Earth. I know they have the gospel, prophets, priesthood ect. but do they have the same gospel stories or there own stories and saviors ect.


Ok, It is indeed true thet Jesus and our Father have created worlds without ends. The Savior is the Savior for this entire universe. Nowhere in church doctrine is it stated that there are people living on other planets. I believe there are. You probably do. Most scriptural intellectuals do. However, it is not stated in church doctrine. If there are other people on other planets, they need a savior as well. In my opinion, Jesus did what He did here on many other planets. It certainly makes His sacrifice even more difficult to comprehend. You will not find any official doctrine on this subject. So, when discussing it with others, make sure you state that it is your opinion, and if they try to state that it is doctrine, ask them their source. If it comes from anywhere other than the Standard Works, or the First Presidency message from the Ensign, let them know that is not official church doctrine. (If you think I say that too much or refer to "official church doctrine" too often, I'm sorry. It is just a habit I've developed since becoming an apologist for the church.)

WhitneyMJ

The world is said to be 6,000 years old, but what about the dinosaur bones they have found here, that are millions of years old. I have a few theories;


Ok, basically we have no idea how old the earth is. The general authorities don't really know and have given many different answers concerning this. The main reason 6000 years comes up is because of 6 dispensations. And many assume the millenium will be the last dispensation (and another 1000 years.) The truth is that the earth is much much older than 6000 years. Some church members don't believe dinosaurs existed because they're not spoken of in the Bible. That is just silly and it comes when information one has contradicts what they've been taught. We must have open minds and understand we know hardly anything. Our knowledge is so small concerning all the truth out there. We must be able to be willing to expand our minds and incorporate new truths with old teachings. The Israelites in the Old Testament had this problem. They had to be given such a basic law so that they wouldn't be confused. And then when the Savior didn't meet the ideas and pictures they had in their minds about their new "king", they killed Him rather than accept His teachings and admit that perhaps they had been wrong.

WhitneyMJ


1. It says god took parts of other worlds and put them together to make Earth, and maybe the bones were already on the parts they took over



This idea has been perpetuated by W. Cleon Skousen. He has many followers (who are called Skousenites) but I am not one of them. He is famous for taking his own opinions and passing them off as scripture. However, if you come up against a Skousenite, it does no good to try to talk any sense into them. They cling to their beliefs about as strong as a Jehovah's Witness does. It does no good to argue with either.

Here is official church doctrine. God and Jesus Christ took matter yet unorganized and gathered the matter together to create a new world, our Earth. There is no official doctrine about taking parts from other planets. It doesn't matter what it says in the official History of the Church or Journal of Discourses. Neither of those are considered canonical. They are great to read when you have studied the church and are extremely solid on all aspects of the church. They certainly should not be read before a mission or before you have a thorough knowledge of the Book of Mormon, Bible, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants. They can be confusing and need to be read prayerfully and with someone who you can talk to about some of the concepts. Or, it is ok not to read them at all. However, Skousen has taken some bits and pieces and put together false teachings. He stated that Adam was taken from another planet to become the first person here. This is COMPLETELY FALSE!!! But his followers will fight you to try and prove it true. Once you go through the Temple, it is very clear that this is not a true teaching!
WhitneyMJ


2. It says that it took god 7 days to make Earth, but we don't know exacually how long 7 days is to God. Days just represent periods of time. Each day could have been 100,000,000 years for all we know, and thats when the dinosaurs lived and died. Its all just way confusing I'd appreciate a few opinions.


This is a great idea you have. Now, this is my opinion and not doctrine, but we all know God's time is not the same as ours. We have no idea how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. Time had no meaning to them at that time. They could have been in there billions of years. God created the world in 6 days. They certainly weren't 24 hour days. Each day could have been 45 million years. I believe dinosaurs existed. I'm not sure how it all worked. But I don't believe God plays tricks and puts remains of an animal that never lived here just to confuse us.

So, you asked for a few opinions, and I gave you a few. You can take them or leave them. But please...ask more questions like this. I LOVE discussing the gospel, even if we don't know all the answers, it's fun to imagine and pool our collective resources. You have a great, inquisitive mind. Don't ever stop asking questions! That is the surest path towards intelligence, along with righteousness!

Great Questions!!!

snaksie
Crew


Zueki

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:50 pm


lol I ment 6 days, sorry, I forget sometimes...anyway thanks Snaksie your really great at this sort of thing...and no worries ill have a lot more questions to fire at you!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:14 pm


Whitney, my soccer-loving friend, I wasn't trying to correct you about the 6 days instead of 7. I was agreeing with you that we have no idea how long those days were in our time frame. wink


And I'll be waiting for those questiond to get fired at me.

Also, thatnk you for the really nice comments you left in my journal! You are really sweet!

snaksie
Crew


snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:52 am


Hey Y'all,

There is a new room set up for our mission prep/gospel doctrine group. I am still preparing the room, so it isn't ready yet. I will let everyone know when we are going to start.

This is going to be a great thing. I guarantee you will get more out of it than you put in! whee
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:56 pm


Can I be part of the group if I don't say that much. Alot of the times I prefer to just listen and learn. Is that ok?

PeroPedro


babrynth
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:06 pm


I might not say much either. I hope that's alright.

And of course I'm not saying I will not say anything. I WILL say things when I think they're needed, but I like to just observe the discussions.

Is that okay?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:34 pm


That is perfectly fine.

I obviously like more and more to talk, but I understand that some people prefer to listen. It doesn't meant they're not participating, it is just their way to do it.

Every now and then, make some kind of comment so I know you're still there! smile

snaksie
Crew


babrynth
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:09 pm


There shouldn't be a problem with that. I usually have something to say.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:12 pm


...don't I know it! razz

snaksie
Crew


Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:36 am


Hey everyone!

I know everyone is looking forward to when the new Mission Prep forum will be up and running. I know I am! But right now snaksie is a little preoccupide.

Snaksie is sick right now and asked that we remember him when we say our prayers. I know that if we do this our prayers will not go unanswered and that snaksie will recover swiftly. But we must also remember to have faith that the Lord will do and reveal things when the time is right for us.

I know that the Mission Prep forum will be one worth participating in. I have comed to learn that the best way of learning in a classroom is to participate. Not only will contributing to the subject help you remember what was being taught, but you might say something that someone else needed to hear.

I hope everyone is doing well and I can't wait to talk with you soon!
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