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NO ARGUING IN THIS THREAD! IT IS FOR OPINIONS!

I figure as people come online and try to see the sniper game they'll eventually wander here to try and get to talk to people and see what's going on. So lets talk.

I think closing the guild is stupid and shouldn't have been done. It isn't going to stop anything and when the guild reopens it's more likely that it'll start more drama because people will be pissed.

Oh, and Nymphie dear. If the people who are doing all these bad things REALLY cared about the guild and game, THEY WOULDN'T DO THEM. As far as anonymous harassment goes and harassment where the harassed remains silent as to the harasser(s), there is NOTHING you can do about it.

And as for mules... how the ******** are you going to know if it's a mule or just new user until they've already started drama. We can't just start banning every new person who shows up that seems a little odd, We would never get any new members.

No. Not all the crew are amazing. =\ And I'm not even going to get into that until I'm home from work and can reply to posts.

So... people who were smart enough to come to the old guild. What do YOU think.

tl;dr Closing guild fails, nothing we can do to fix reasons it was closed for.

PS: This is Eikichi's mule which he has been using for profile work, not some random mule. There, everyone knows it's me.

I don't agree with the guild closing as a member, but from prior expierences as a captain and the troubles te sniper guild has had, I think it got its point accross, and probably was the only way to do it.

How else are you going to get the point across? If you don't know who the enemy is, punish everybody and you'll get the enemy. Not to mention that the whole thing with mules (I think - I've beenw rong before, you all know this) is that the guild was public.

You didn't even have to join the guild to be part of the harrassment.


And as for "Nymphie making decisions she wants." I've no qualms with that. AShe tries to make the guild democratic, but a lot of you are idiots (I'm not excluding myself from that statement) or things you suggest simply cannot be done for one reason as another.

I hate bringing up "When I was a guild captain, ohoho"(despite how it seems - I DO hate bringing it up) but since I was one for a little over two years of what USED to be the 2nd largest/best/whatever RPing guild, DEMOCRACY IN GUILDS DOESN'T WORK.

I tried ot make my guild a democracy, and nobody ever voted on important matters. Or, for the amount of people who did vote, they voted ocmpletely against what I or my crew thought was right, so we superceeded them anyway, simply because out of the people who voted, they were ultimately the minority.

Or, if I had kept the guild a democracy anyway, and the people who HAD voted on crucial things actually DID state their opinion, popular people would've stayed in the guild breaking rules and s**t, and unpopular people would've been kicked out simply because they couldn't spell right or form more than a paragraph at a time when roleplaying.

Although the dynamics of the guilds are different, I had to have been doing SOMETHING right, considering a lot of my rules are basis for a lot of other guild's rules (It may have changed now, but a year a go, there were at least five different guilds using my rules).

All social networking sites, including little guilds like the sniper game's, have popular people. If one person votes for a GM, everyone sheepvotes that GM (generalization, but you know what I mean). Our guild is one of the worst cases of that I've ever seen, and the problem is that a lot of the popular people who others will follow don't follow the rules or don't respect the crew.

And because of that, the guild can't trust most people's opinions if they're following a tyrant. Get my drift?

So, tl;dr is basically, What YOU think is best for the guild may not actually BE best for the guild. And what THEY(crew and such) think is best for the guild, you may not like.


And also. Why do you even care about not being able ot be crew, Hotju? I thought you were leaving Gaia/the guild once the game was over. rolleyes

(And the guild re-opens on tuesday, btw)

"And also. Why do you even care about not being able ot be crew, Hotju? I thought you were leaving Gaia/the guild once the game was over. rolleyes "

And I plan on it.
It's the fact that I couldn't if I wanted to, not that I can't and am going to try.

Wait... going out on a limb here but Isnt the crew forum private for a reason.

And that is going to cause HUGE drama and there are no crew in this guild.

I know I shouldn't have. So you shouldn't have to tell me I shouldn't have.

You know maybe making the no people with warnings can be crew rule was bad. And after reading what Pixie said I agree with not doing it.

However, the reason it WAS done was to protect Sin and Dukes from being publicly displayed as people not worthy of crew. It would rule them out, without having to necessarily single them out. But since you just posted that screenshot I guess it doesnt matter anymore.


I know some people who have done harassing, and I know they care. They just feel the need to be asses for God knows what reasons.
Be realistic though. We're not going to just ignore them. Most people cant just turn the other cheek. And even if they can pretend to ignore them, most people still get hurt whether they show it or not. When someone cheated in your game, did you ignore them? When someone stole your name, did you ignore them? When people are bitchy to you, do you ignore them? No. Its against human nature to just ignore when you're getting hurt. And its not ok to let them walk all over you until they get bored of it and then they get away scot free. And eventually they will probably feel like doing it again. And again. And again.


You mean until Tuesday? Yes.



You are completely correct there. You have no clue what crew does. I know everything. Now if crew ever did abuse power and you saw it, I would listen to the report you make, and I will talk to the crew member, and I will not ignore you. However, if you think the crew is just bad - I dont care. Because no one knows. You dont see into the crew forum. You dont know what we do. You dont know who does what. You just dont know if you're not there. I am always there and always know what my crew is doing. And if I dont know and they are doing something wrong...then the person witnessing the wrong doing should report it. And dont say "I was GM I can see into crew" because you still dont know. You dont deal with the drama. You didnt have to deal with the old drama. Even if you read it, you dont understand what it was like because you werent there.



Thats why the guild wasnt closed last night. I kept it open so people could read the update, and so that Wren and Monkey had a chance to bask in their winning. I made sure both of them had a nice thread with a nice amount of replies before I closed the guild down.

3nodding It just doesnt work to have a completely democratic guild. Nothing will EVER get done and all people will do is fight. Hence why you need leaders. Remember the old guild? When there was no one in charge? Do you want that to happen again? Thats why we are trying our best to stop it.

Thats why I'm SO against this harrassment bullshit. LOOK AT THE OLD GUILD gonk Just LOOK. It is our HISTORY. History repeats itself if you dont learn from it. There were NO consequences for ANYTHING back then. Do you want there to be no consequences for anything now? Do you want history to repeat itself? Hellz no. And thats why crew is doing its very best to try and prevent it.

I agree. But we wanted it done between games, and the game just happened to end right before a 3 day weekend.


I agree, making te guild private would make it easier. Maybe we could ask all the new people how they found the guild and what made them join first. And if alot of them say "I found the guild randomly, lurked for a while, then decided to join" it would be bad to make it private. But if none say that, it might be ok to make it private.


We do. I would rather get rid of the mule before any drama starts though sweatdrop


We closed it for a weekend, not forever. And you dont like it being cloed, do you? Most people wouldnt want it closed, right? So hopefully the problem makers wont want it closed either, and will stop causing problems so that they dont have to have the guild closed again. Because if they keep doing what they're doing, the guild will keep being closed and if they dont want that they'll stop. This is the -only- way we can think of to punish them.

Thats true. Like I told Eikichi at the beginning of the post, we had a hidden reason for making that rule, but now that I've heard your opinions, and when the rest of crew hears them, we may change our minds.


Since we dont really have down time between games now was the time to do it. We didnt want to interrupt a game because that would be really harsh. The no notice thing, I did, because I thought it would be harsher with no notice and for the people this is being done against, the harsher the better. I didnt want it to be too harsh and really hurt (like doing it mid-game) but I didnt want it to be soft (like letting you know beforehand).

The update will still be there on Tuesday for those who want to read it.