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snaksie
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:00 pm


Hey everybody...

I thought it would be cool if whoever wanted to could share a spiritual experience they've had. Most likely we've all had at least one. I know I really enjoy reading about spiritual experiences others have had. So share with us, or just read about others and comment on them.

For those about to share...we salute you! exclaim
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:57 am


Conversion Story Part 1



All I knew about the LDS faith was they rode bikes and had cool commercials.

When I first started to hear more about the church other than they rode bikes everywhere, I was dating an inactive member. She told me that mormons worship seagulls. confused (It turned out that wasn't true, there is just a statue of a seagull in Salt Lake City because seagulls helped save the crops of early pioneers when grasshoppers were eating all the crops) I thought that was strange, but didn't give it too much thought. She went to seminary every morning. In my first period class (where I was the TA - Teacher's Assistant) was another girl who also was a member, who was very active in the church. My girlfriend would write me a note and give it to her to give to me. Well the other girl was always late because of seminary, so I would wait for her at the front of the school to get the note and then we would walk to class together. So, me and this girl started to get to know each other. Eventually, I started to like the girl in my class better than the other one. So one day I told the class that whoever got the highest score on the next test would win a free date with me. rolleyes

The LDS girl won! (I knew she would 'cuz she was the smartest girl in there) So, before we went out, I called her to set it up. Her mom answered and told me that her daughter was out babysitting. She was a mia-maid (sp?) and was watching someone's kids in the ward so they could go to the temple. I told her mom why I was calling and her mom told me that she couldn't date because her daughter was under 16. I said "What in the world are you talking about?!" She explained to me about her beliefs in the church and we ended up talking for over 2 hours. I was Lutheran at the time, though I had been in several other churches before that. My grandfather retired as a chaplain in the navy and is Assemblies of God. My great great grandfather founded the Pentecostal Church Of God back in 1906. I have 9 uncles who are ministers in other faiths, mostly Assemblies of God.

Anyhoo, eventually I came over and met the whole family. They let their daughter go out on me, with her older sister and my best friend. We went to Disneyland and had a great time. Now, when I was Lutheran, I went to a parochial school and was confirmed Lutheran in 8th grade and took my first communion. However, in catachism class everyday, I used to find myself in arguments with our Pastor regularly. In 7th grade, I got kicked out of class one day because I refused to believe babies went to hell if they died without baptism. Another day, I got in trouble because all week long I kept arguing that it didn't make sense that we would get married here, spend our entire lives together, just to become "brothers and sisters" after we died. I told both the Pastor and the principal that it only made sense that marriage would continue after this life. Both said I was wrong and that everyone knew marriage was until death do we part. I said that was a bunch of baloney and got a detention. One of my other big areas of contention was that God the Father and Jesus Christ were not the same being. The Holy Trinity made absolutely no sense to me. When I would tell my Pastor that, he would say "That's the beauty of it. We can't understand God because He is so mysterious and we don't have the capacity." So, I kept my own beliefs and just felt that no other church believed what I did. I read the Bible continually and basically believed what I felt was true. However, no matter how many churches I looked into, (Assemblies of God, Lutheran, Catholic, Pentecostal Church of God, Baptist, etc...) none believed in marriage continuing after this life.

So, in one discussion with this girl's mother, she spoke of eternal marriage. I'm telling you, it felt like she hit me with a phone book across my head. I asked her what she meant by eternal marriage. She explained that in the LDS faith, they believe that marriage continues after this life, forever. Woah!!! This was the first time I had ever heard of any church teaching that. Before she said that, I had a little curiosity about mormons and why they always rode bikes around, but not much else. I also had heard that they all love root beer, but I didn't know why. As soon as she told me about eternal marriage, I was very curious. But to be honest, I really wanted to know what was wrong with their church. In my experience, EVERY church had something wrong with it. So I started asking questions to her mom all the time. Actually, I would come over to see the girl, but then I would talk to her mom late into the night. She would go to bed, a little upset, and her mom and I would stay up all night talking about the church.

~~~ If you're still interested, read the next post to see what happened next. wink ~~~

snaksie
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snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:53 am


Conversion Story Part 2

* This is continued from the post before this. You need to read the other post so this will make sense *


So, when her mom and I would stay up, I asked her all sorts of questions. I knew the Bible very well, having already completed most of it. Plus, in the parochial school, we had to memorize specific verses everyday and were tested on it every Friday. We used the Beck version of the Bible, but I also had a King James and a New International version. I was sure that there was something was wrong with the church and I was determined to find out what it was. At the time I was working for a store called Fedco, which is kind of like a Walmart. I was a cart pusher, and a darned good one! exclaim I actually broke the record and set a new one for most carts pushed. Guess how many I pushed...go ahead, try. Nowadays they have electric cart pushers that push 8 at a time. Before that, we had to push 20 to 25 carts. Well, I pushed 100 even!!! eek I didn't push them that far, but we had to push them 10 yards. Before that, the record at our store was 72, which was alot. I don't think my record will be broken. cool I also don't think my back will ever heal! xp

Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, I had this job during the time I was learning about the church. Finally I thought, "Ok, this is too big a decision to trust to this girl, her mom or even me. I need help from above to decide if I should keep learning about the church." So, one night I was working in the left parking lot. (we all had our own lot to cover for carts.) The store was in Cerritos, CA, right across from Cerritos Mall. In Cerritos, it can get very foggy at times. This night it was extremely foggy. I had been thinking about all I had learned all night and decided I should pray about it. Now I don't know about you, but I never used to pray on my knees. Actually, I used to pray in the shower because I was all alone and, well, that was just what I did. But this time I decided to get on my knees and pray. So, in the middle of the left parking lot, I got down on my knees and prayed. This night, it was so foggy, that from where I was, you couldn't see the store OR the street. It was about 9:30 at night. As I was on my knees, if someone had sped through my lot, there is no way they would have seen me before they ran me over. So thank heavens no one did!

As I got on my knees and prayed to know whether I should continue learning about the LDS faith, I had such a sense of calm come over me, it is impossible to clearly describe it. I felt warmth and peace in every fiber of my being. I clearly had received an answer to continue to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The next day I went over to my friend's house and told her and her mom, "Well, how do I go about talking to the missionaries?" They both flipped out and got all excited. I said "Hey, I just said talk!" smile And we all laughed a little more. Her mom called the missionaries and two sister missionaries came over the next night (Wednesday) to teach me the first discussion.

During the first discussion, they started to read something out of the Book of Mormon. I said "Hey, don't read that. That's YOUR book...of course it's going to agree with you. Show me in the Bible where it supports what you're teaching." Without flinching, they used the Bible for the whole discussion. That made a huge impression on me. It showed me that they weren't afraid to just use the Bible and plus, they were flexible and since I knew and trusted the Bible, it put me at ease. At the end of the discussion, they asked if they could come back next Wed. I said, "Do we have to wait a week?" idea They got all excited and started flipping through their planners and said "No, when do you want us to come back?" I said "How about Friday, in two days." They looked and said "Sure!" On Friday, I said it was fine to use the Book of Mormon. I think that since they allowed me to just use the Bible in the first discussion, it put me at ease and then it was fine to use the Book of Mormon later. Plus I wanted to see what was in this book. Friday night, we went through discussions 2 AND 3. They asked when did I want them to come back. I said how about tomorrow and they said Great!!!

One other important part needs to be mentioned. While these young ladies were much older than me, and knew more than I did in many areas, they didn't try to snowball me or bluff on anything. Having read the Bible alot and with so much religion that I had been exposed to, there were some questions I had that they didn't know the answers to. If they would've tried to bluff like they did, or kind of skirt the issue, it would've really thrown up a red flag. If they didn't know an answer, they said "We don't know, but we'll find out." I'd gotten cheap answers in my past to different questions, but these great sister missionaries never tried to do that. And they did get me my answers before they came back for the next discussion.

So, on Saturday, they came back and taught discussion 4. I said "let's keep going." So they taught discussion 5. I said "let's keep going." So they taught discussion 6. They then said "Do you want to go somewhere real cool?" I said sure, so we all went to the Los Angeles Temple and went to the visitor's center. We took the tour and then watched a cool movie. I prayed about all that we had talked about in the last 4 days and how everything felt so good and right. I also marveled that there wasn't one thing they had taught me that I disagreed with. I also prayed to know that Joseph Smith really had seen and done the things they told me had happened. Again, I felt the same way I had when I prayed in the parking lot at Fedco. Late Saturday night, I called the missionaries and asked if I could be baptized tomorrow. They said they would need to call me back. During that time, my friend's mother got a little worried. She wanted to be sure that I was sure what I was doing. She went over tithing again. No problem, I had paid tithing when I was Lutheran to some degree. She told me about the Word of Wisdom again. No problem, I was one of only about 3 on the football team that didn't drink. I had about 1/2 of a beer 2 years before and thought it tasted horrible. The only other time I ever drank alcohol was taking communion (wine) in the Lutheran church. I never smoked, tried any drugs or anything else that was bad for my body. I had tried my mom's coffee when I was alot younger, but didn't like it. They did tell me that I couldn't dring any caffeinated sodas anymore. Dr. Pepper was my favorite, but I said I could give it up. She then asked me if I had kissed her daughter. I said yes. She asked if I had really kissed her. I said yes. She said, "Well, that's as far as you ever can go, before marriage." This sounded a little alarming, butI certainly wasn't going to tell her (the mother of my then girlfriend) that. However, I knew that if that was what a prophet of the Lord said, then it was right.

The next day, Sunday, 4 days after the sisters had taught me the 1st discussion, I was baptized by immersion by my friend's father. Her grandfather then confirmed me a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He also gave me the gift of the Holy Ghost. I know that that decision I made is probably the most important decision I've made in my entire life. I have never regretted it since, and have thanked my Father in Heaven repeatedly for that. I also have researched the church extensively since and still have found nothing I disagree with. While I still have much MUCH to learn, I know that this church is true and is the restored Gospel that Jesus set up during His earthly ministry. He is our Savior and Redeemer and stands at the head of this church.

I also know that my experience, while extremely sacred and personal to me, can be had by any other who wants to know if this church is true. While our Father in Heaven loves me very much, He doesn't love me anymore than he loves everyone else. If He told me it is true, He will tell you also. All you have to do is ask! Thanks for letting me share this with you. If you have any questions or comments, by all means let me know.

Take care. smile
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:51 pm


I think I speak for everyone when I say "wow." I don't have any spiritual experiences like that. The strongest times I've ever felt the spirit testify to me that the church is true is when I'm at the temple and during fast and testimony meetings. The best part about it is that I know that it is the best experience I can/have/will ever feel from the spirit.

Elder Artemis Simetra
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snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:55 pm


Thank you Artemis. I was wondering if anyone read it. I started to think maybe it was too long or something. Babs told me she read it, so I think you two are the only ones. It is nice to get feedback, especially with something so personal and sacred. I think you will be a great missionary. You are doing your best to live a Christ-like life. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." We're never going to be perfect in this life, but we certainly can do our best. The testimony I shared in my conversion story above gets stronger in me everyday. I have seen (and I have been) many of the Lord's lost sheep who are just waiting for the Gospel to be shared with them. You will find some on your mission. Although it is the Holy Spirit that converts people, you will be the messenger, helping to identify the Spirit to them. And as it says in the Doctrine and Covenants, there is no greater joy than bringing someone into the True Church. And after this life, you will rejoice with them. I have been blessed to be able to baptize two of my friends since my conversion. There are still sooo many more. And so far, I haven't been able to baptize any in my family. But I won't give up or stop loving any of them. I know another friend of mine, my best friend, will join the church someday. How I look forward to that. NOTHING in life brings me as much joy as sharing the Gospel; nothing is even close. I am so blessed to be a member, I feel it is my duty to repay my Father in Heaven by sharing it with others.

I can tell by reading the words you have written that you are being prepared to be an awesome missionary. Vinstepula is right; missions are hard. But it is definitely worth it. My Patriarchal Blessing says I will be a missionary all the days of my life. As far as I can tell, that is perhaps the greatest blessing I can receive!

Thank you for your comments. smile
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:09 am


Well, whether your family wants to hear the gospel or not, they will always see your example. And it is by example that most conversions take place. For man cannot be judged by word alone but also by his deeds. My favorite New Testement scripture is Mathew 5: 14-16 "Ye are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel but on a candle stick; and it givith light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." To me that scripture means that we don't always have to go around preaching the gospel to others to get them to notice the gospel. Sometimes a good deed goes a long way in showing that we care. I think the best example I can be is when people arn't even looking. Like when I see trash in a park or on someones lawn, I go and throw it away with no thought of reward. Anyways, I really don't know what I'm getting at right now. Loved your conversion story by-the-way, and I'm sure tons of people read it. How could they not?

Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew


Pegasaurus Rex

Stone-cold Loiterer

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:09 pm


I think I've felt the spirit more at Girl's Camp than any other place. And no matter how much I try not to cry at testimony meeting up there, the tears always come out. -.-" But I love it!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:00 pm


That's really cool! Thanks for sharing Link. I think it's really great that we have activities like youth conference and girl's camp where the youth get to do fun things in a spiritual atmosphere. It certainly is different than the rest of the world, where it seems like people do their best to get as far away from God as possible. It's too bad that entire schools don't get the chance to participate in spiritual activities like we do. It would be great to show other kids that it is COOL to be spiritual!

snaksie
Crew


snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:17 pm


Do you guys ever have spiritual experiences at school? It's pretty rare for me.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:46 am


You know, I'm not sure that this really counts, but I think I did! Okay, this happened in my Junior year in high school. As we all know, we were pretty stupid in our high school years (for those of you who are still in high school, one day you will understand). I far less the guy that I am today but I was still pretty decent. There was this picture in our school paper that I made fun of. I know now that it was wrong, but at the time it seemed funny. I "edited" the picture and showed it to my friends. It wasn't anything seriously wrong but it was rude all the same. The picture went around and everyone thought it was hilarious. It finally came to one guy and he got reall offended by it. The people in the picture were his friends. Now this guy nobody particularly liked. He cussed every other word, make fun of cops (most of the people in this group had a parent that was a cop) etc etc. So he got all up in my face. He took of his leather jacket and threw it to his friend. This guy was going to beat me to a pulp. Now, as I've said before and will keep saying, what I did was stupid. But when this guy was on the verge of beating me up, all I could do was smile. This guy was taller and stronger than me. By all means I should have been scared. But I wasn't. A sense of peace filled me. I wasn't going to lift a finger to fight this guy. Even though I might be seriously injured, I knew everything was going to be okay. I told the guy that I was sorry and that we should take some time off to cool our heads. He said that I wasn't worth it and stormed off. As I turned around toward my friends (who by the way were all bigger and taller than me and two of them were members of the church) I see them all flexing and cracking their knuckles. I asked them what they were doing and they told me that if that guy would have touched a hair on my head all 10 of them would have just started wailing on the guy. Now I know that this isn't the best story in the world but two things came to me that day. One was the fact that I was being watched over for my own stupidity. The second was that my friends would have fought for me because I was a good friend.

Elder Artemis Simetra
Crew


snaksie
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:02 pm


It was kinda dissapointing when I got home from my mission. I had so many incredibly spiritual experiences, but I knew I couldn't share them with my dad. It would be like casting pearls before swine. There were a few others who I could share them with, but for the most part, I couldn't share them with my parents. It still mekes me a little sad to think of it.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:58 pm


I feel the spirit in young women and youth conference especially. I felt the spirit during general conference. It was really great.

PeroPedro

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