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 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:34 pm
So recently I've been in the ED and well, I get a lot of strange answers when it comes to responses since that discussion is pretty much unmoderated. So I was going to bring up this topic.
I recently checked the pro-choice guild to find some of these topics and to me it's actually quite interesting because the "importance" of sex has pretty much been the central theme for almost all things abortion. What I mean by this is...
1) Without sex, a woman doesn't need an abortion.
2) Sex is a means of much debate... such as abstinence only education vs safe sex education.
3) Sex has been claimed to make relationships worth it.
Now, to further emphasize this, I've not been in a relationship nor a sexual one before, so my opinion on the matter would only be based on my outside point of view and have nothing to do with what people who are in these relationships experience.
In respect to this, I have found the whole argument about endorphins very intriguing when people use it as an argument of why they need to have sex. Whether it keeps them from going insane or whatever else a person deems for it to do for them. Anyway, the research I've found is that vaginal sex isn't the ONLY thing that causes endorphins to be release, rather it is released by orgasms, which can be caused by masturbation, oral sex, or other forms of stimulation that partners can give each other.
In either case, most of the people who have given me a response on this topic seem to be merely trying to defend their relationships. I don't really care about "your" relationship, what I'm asking and am concerned about is...
How important is sex?
I don't think there is a definite answer to it because it isn't biologically imperative that we must have it in order to live, but we are wired to desire it unless you're like me. I've suppressed it to a point where I can probably claim I'm asexual to an extent. In either case, the questions are:
1) If we can obtain these endorphins from exercise, or oral sex, why must it be vaginal sex?
2) Is vaginal sex a requirement in a relationship?
3) Is it possible to suppress your sexuality until you're ready?
Since sex is a definite related cause to the reason people use abortion as a final means of birth control, I thought this would be a useful discussion.
That is... discussion, not a debate. smile
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:38 pm
FreeArsenal 1) If we can obtain these endorphins from exercise, or oral sex, why must it be vaginal sex? Stupid men want it. FreeArsenal 2) Is vaginal sex a requirement in a relationship? Stupid men think so. FreeArsenal 3) Is it possible to suppress your sexuality until you're ready? Sure, if you're not stupid. Maybe they won't listen to a virgin, but I'm 26 and I've lost count of the number of different sex partners I've had, let alone the number of times I've had sex or masturbated. That's probably in the hundreds. And yet, do I need p***s so badly that I tie men down, forcefeed them handfuls of Viagra and rape them? I don't think anyone in this community does, yet we're the ones who are sexually repressed and brainwashed by the patriarchy. Sorry, who are the stronger women here? Hot guy: "So, can I put my p***s in your v****a?" Zinny: "I'm not carrying around a fetus for nine months, jackass. God gave you a tongue for a reason, and not so you can yammer my ears off."
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:48 pm
I never got this either. I've seen it in the debate where a choicer will tell me that sex is important. I'll bring up oral and whatnot. Their reasoning for vaginal- It is required to have babies.
Well no s**t. I have seen this before, no joke, where they will say that abortion is ok because sex is needed, and that sex is neccesary because it makes babies. Can anyone else see the retardation leaking from their pores?
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:15 pm
What do you think of this? Do you call BS? Somebody Sex is something much more than purely pleasure or reproduction for both of us. It's expressing our love, our devotion, our trust for one another. It brings us comfort when we're hurt or down (I am Bipolar and when I'm depressed the only thing that ever cheers me up is the physical intimacy and affection I get from sex), it brings us closer together. Other people choose not to utilize sex in this way, but we do. It's a powerful force in our relationship and our wonderfully amazing sex life is a huge part of the reason why I believe we're such a comfortable couple-- and a good couple at that. People are always amazed that we've lived together and been together so long and yet are still so affectionate to eachother, etc.. and it's in part due largely because of the deep level of trust, intimacy, and respect we've built through our sexual life. Would we survive without sex if we had to? Yes. But would it do damage? Yes. Also, just because I'm a considered "a virgin" doesn't really mean much at all. Most of the friends I have who are in sexual relationships admit I'm correct when it comes to what their relationship was mostly about, and whether or not it could survive. I don't think experience plays as large a part as people put forth. To me "experience" is just an argument people use to rationalize their own behavior and then justify it by whatever means their mind can find. For the record, when I talk to people on the phone, I'm usually mistaken for someone in their mid-40's until they see me or I tell them my age. It's kind of strange really.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:26 pm
divineseraph I never got this either. I've seen it in the debate where a choicer will tell me that sex is important. I'll bring up oral and whatnot. Their reasoning for vaginal- It is required to have babies. Well no s**t. I have seen this before, no joke, where they will say that abortion is ok because sex is needed, and that sex is neccesary because it makes babies. Can anyone else see the retardation leaking from their pores? This really happened?
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:57 pm
Oh yes. I asked why sex was so neccesary. the response- or else humanity would die out.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:19 pm
divineseraph Oh yes. I asked why sex was so neccesary. the response- or else humanity would die out. The lack of cohesion makes for a slippery fall.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:16 am
FreeArsenal What do you think of this? Do you call BS? Somebody Sex is something much more than purely pleasure or reproduction for both of us. It's expressing our love, our devotion, our trust for one another. It brings us comfort when we're hurt or down (I am Bipolar and when I'm depressed the only thing that ever cheers me up is the physical intimacy and affection I get from sex), it brings us closer together. Other people choose not to utilize sex in this way, but we do. It's a powerful force in our relationship and our wonderfully amazing sex life is a huge part of the reason why I believe we're such a comfortable couple-- and a good couple at that. People are always amazed that we've lived together and been together so long and yet are still so affectionate to eachother, etc.. and it's in part due largely because of the deep level of trust, intimacy, and respect we've built through our sexual life. Would we survive without sex if we had to? Yes. But would it do damage? Yes. Also, just because I'm a considered "a virgin" doesn't really mean much at all. Most of the friends I have who are in sexual relationships admit I'm correct when it comes to what their relationship was mostly about, and whether or not it could survive. I don't think experience plays as large a part as people put forth. To me "experience" is just an argument people use to rationalize their own behavior and then justify it by whatever means their mind can find. For the record, when I talk to people on the phone, I'm usually mistaken for someone in their mid-40's until they see me or I tell them my age. It's kind of strange really. I'm not going to deny that it can be used as a form of expression. But is it worth taking lives for it? And this is where it leads into the abortion debate. I am not against sex. I am against sex, however, when it can cost a life to have.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:53 am
Essentially saying:
"I'm against sex when it could result in an unwanted pregnancy."
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:04 pm
Not even that. "I am against sex when the cost is a life."
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:55 pm
divineseraph Not even that. "I am against sex when the cost is a life." So we should march and make oral sex better in the minds of people over Vaginal sex? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:38 pm
It's better in my eyes anyway. blaugh
But seriously, yes. Oral is a good alternative. 69 pleasures both people, and there is no pregnancy. Except for when there is. Funny story on this one. Splash pregnancy. This was actually argued against oral sex.
I brought it up, they said that splash pregnancy could still get a girl pregnant. Their exact reason, and I s**t you not, was that a girl could give her boyfriend head, and then kiss him on the mouth. Then, he would eat her out. The semen transfered there could get her pregnant.
This from the same group who deny that sex is for pregnancy by saying "Sex doesn't make people pregnant all the time! so it can't be for making people pregnant!"
See the doublethink here? At one moment, sex hardly ever gets anyone pregnant. Next instant, a single sperm is enough.
The odds are so berzerkly low, splash pregnancy isn't even worth mentioning. I mean, people who are TRYING, during the right time, doing techniques to make themselves more fertile STILL have a good chance of not getting pregnant. And, not to be gross, but a full custard shot blasted at full force up there can't always do it, but the, like, four individual sperm who make it through said transaction above can? Bullshit.
Sorry, it was a long round about way of telling my point, but I had to put it here, it fit and it was in context. But yeah, oral is fine.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:52 pm
divineseraph I brought it up, they said that splash pregnancy could still get a girl pregnant. Their exact reason, and I s**t you not, was that a girl could give her boyfriend head, and then kiss him on the mouth. Then, he would eat her out. The semen transfered there could get her pregnant. This from the same group who deny that sex is for pregnancy by saying "Sex doesn't make people pregnant all the time! so it can't be for making people pregnant!" Wow. Can they even walk and chew gum at the same time?
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:01 am
One of them claimed that it had happened to their cousin. Now, there are three possible cases here. The person telling me was full of s**t. The cousin telling said choicer was full of s**t. (Or a combination of both), OR, that cousin must be the unluckiest person in the world. If this is the case, I would advise her to never ride an airplane, go anywhere near lighting, go to vegas or play russian roulette. This is assuming she hasn't already died by being run over by elvis driving a truckload of four-leaf clovers and rabbit-feet.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:18 am
I read an article about that... the oral, the kiss, and then the return oral...
Haha, they say that if you were trying to get pregnant that way and were successful, then go for the lottery.
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