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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:59 pm
Okay, my name is Shoshana, hai, nice to meet you.
So, I have gone to public school since 4th grade.. and before that I went to a private Jewish School. I never really got along with my class at the Jewish school and in 5th grade I started making Friends that were goys, there aren't that many jews where I live
Recently, I have made a lot more friends at at the end of last year I went to a Musilim kids birthday party and my dad didn't know until I got back and he got really mad at me. My dad says I can't have Friends of any other religion but jewish and I don't agree. He hates like all of my friends so i'm always turning them down to hang out. But even though I have told him that i'm really lucky to have real friends and I'd like to keep them, that I would not marry a guy who wouldn't let my kids be jewish. but i'm only in high school and I don't think its fair that he's limiting my friendships.
Yea, so does anyone know what I can do to et some leeway or anything?
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:02 pm
Thanks for being so helpful, guys.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:26 pm
First off, please be polite. Everybody is in different time zones, gets online at different times, and has their own lives outside of Gaia. Just because somebody doesn't respond to you immediately doesn't mean that they're ignoring you, and it doesn't give you a reason to be sarcastic and rude.
I think it's idiotic of your dad to do that. If you don't become friends with somebody just because they're another religion, that's everything people have done to Jews in the past. It's incredibly stereotypical, prejudiced, and illogical. Don't let your dad boss you around, which I know is easier said than done. But you shouldn't let him dictate who your friends are at all. I'm friends with people that are nice and who like me for who I am- it has no basis of what religion they are, or anything irrational like that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:14 pm
Sorry, i was kinda impacitent.
Thanks for responding! I don't know, my dad can be very controling, not like in a bad way or anything, but he gets mad at me.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:14 pm
YEa, I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not. If you weren't being sarcastic excuse darkpheonix and myself. If you were being sarcastic, then listen to this. I know it's annoying waiting for a response on an important issue to you, but you have to be patient in this guild. There are a lot of people whom keep shabbos, and a lot of people are busy with school starting up sad I'm sorry if you are upset with us, but please try and understand we will help you as quickly as possible. We have so many wonderful people here whom just want to be your friend and help you gorw smile
You don't have to have jewish friends to be religious. I mean I grew up in a devote cathlic family, and never had a jewish friend in my life, and look at me. I'm converting, and have more understanding and religious like get up go-ness than most the kids my age of any religion.
Your dad shouldn't limit your groups of friends. I mean that's being prejuice (sp) and that's something we're normally on the recieving end of, not the giving end.
I mean you seem like a very intellagent girl, who knows what she wants to do and won't let people try and convince her she's wrong in her religious beliefs. smile So I think your dad should be proud of you for being so sted fast, and being ambigous. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:16 pm
I Now in response to your poll.
I don't have the same problem, but my mom I think doesn't like who I'm close to people at shul, and talk to them about my problems. :sigh: she's just afraid i'll like abandon her or something.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:20 pm
Yea, sorry, I should have been more paitent. Sorry. I had a half day of school today because there's a big drout and my school is so hot that its hard to be in school.
Thanks for that, most of those things I am. Its every time a meet a friend he says "OH, ARE THEY JEWISH" he knows that I want to have my friends he just doesn't listen...
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:24 pm
yea people suck when they are like that -.-
rolleyes funny people, funny times rolleyes
I like your name it's my boyfriend's little sister's name smile sad I miss him, he's gone off to school now.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 pm
I live with my grandparents, and my grandfather is pretty open minded religiously so I'm not exposed to the same problem. I'm a Christian myself, and Christianity teachings are about love and respect for each other. I'm pretty sure that the Jewish religion isn't about hatred. I hope it's not. Religion isn't my strong point of knowledge. In any case my suggestion would be to politely talk to him about it. If you can find a way to warp around what I said about Christianity and use it with Judaism in truth then I think that might help too.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:50 pm
Talking to him doesn't work. that's the problem..
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:13 pm
I don't know what to do then.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:02 am
Sadly, this is one of the things about being a Jew that's hard: our laws demand a lot of us. One of them is "Honor your father and your mother." That's easy when your parents are doing things that you feel good about, but when they do or say something with which you fundamentally disagree, that's when you feel how hard it is sometimes.
I think in your case you need to say, "Dad, I've been thinking and I believe I know why you'd rather I didn't have so many friends who aren't Jewish. It's scary knowing that your kids could come into contact with ideas that will seem attractive and exotic, and may pull them away from their Jewishness. But this is a part of what it means to be a Jew: to be surrounded by the rest of the world, and to still remain a Jew within it. It's not any easier for me today than it was for our ancestors. But you've given me a great Jewish education and a pride in my Jewishness, and I know that part of my purpose as a Jew is to be a light to the nations. It would be very hard for me to fulfill that part of my Jewish purpose if I never encountered the other nations. Maybe by knowing me, these friends will later have a much better concept of Jews and Jewishness. Maybe later when they encounter anti-Jewish sentiments, they'll be able to think of me and decide that those sentiments are wrong. You never know what I could accomplish if I go out into the world and serve as an example. And you never know what lessons I could learn by being part of the world. Hashem doesn't call us to separate ourselves from the world, like monks and nuns. He calls us to be within the world, to be involved in it, to love it, and to help it. I need to do this. Sooner or later, you need to let me go, and trust that the upbringing you've given me was a good one, and that you've taught me what I need in order to maintain my Jewish identity and principles out there among the rest of Hashem's people."
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:30 am
I like that one. i'll have to try saying that in a more summarized way...
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:06 pm
lol, where do you live? If I had no friends but Jews, I'd have had a lot more imaginary friends growing up. I was the only Jew in school for, lets say, my entire public school career. The only Jews I knew were from sunday school, and lived far away.
I'd explain to your dad that friendship is a part of growing up, and just because someone was born into a different faith doesn't make them a bad person. My mother is bothered when I talk about Muslim people I've met, but she lets me be. Maybe your father is just worried that you will grow up too quickly and forget your heritage if you have non-Jewish friends. Explain to him that this won't happen. If possible, introduce him to your friends (and their parents) in an open, non-threatening setting. If he knows they are good people, he might allow you to spend time with them.
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