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 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:29 pm
Alright, we know people get murdered or die almost every second of the day. But theres some I dont understand about it.
In the 10 Commandments God says "Thou shalt no kill". But what if it's self defense? Or your fighting in a war?
Is it still wrong?
If i was defending my country and so was the other person, who would be in the right? Who would be in the wrong?
Can someone please explain this to me?
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:50 pm
The commandment doesn't say 'thou shalt not kill'. That is a mistranslation. IT actually says something closer to 'thou shalt not murder'. Now, as to stuff about self-defense and war. The only thing we could truly say that the Bible says about defending yourself would be 'turn the other cheek' and all that. However, this could also be read as a warning against revenge. I believe that, when it is a matter of self-defense, then killing is justifiable, though only when there is no other clear option at the time. Quote: If i was defending my country and so was the other person, who would be in the right? Who would be in the wrong? You assume that there has to be a 'right' and 'wrong' in this situation. You are both doing your respective jobs, you just happen to be in on the opposite sides. In this situation, killing becomes a simple fact, nearly without morality involved. There is an accomplishment that needs doing, and that necessitates the killing of others. An unfortunate fact, albeit. Of course, that is not to say that things such as the Haditha massacres were excusable, as, in all situations, killing should be avoided. Especially of civilians and non-combatants, as they are not a part of the war you are fighting in.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:38 am
If the war is a just war, for example, in defense of one's race or country, killing an enemy would not be a sin.
For example, it would not be a sin to use deadly force against someone who invaded your home and is hostile to you and your family. It would be the same here.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:24 am
if the world comes to war than we have already failed
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:19 am
lordstar if the world comes to war than we have already failed our race failed long before that. back when Adam and Eve fell. it is sin that is the cause of war. just like in the OT when God sent the isrialites out to battle to claim the promised land, the enemies were ppls who had turned from God and sinned without care. a ppl to far gone to turn back the wrath of God at that time, so in that their own sin caused them to be in war and lose it since God was on the side of those who call on him.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:56 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor The commandment doesn't say 'thou shalt not kill'. That is a mistranslation. IT actually says something closer to 'thou shalt not murder'. Now, as to stuff about self-defense and war. The only thing we could truly say that the Bible says about defending yourself would be 'turn the other cheek' and all that. However, this could also be read as a warning against revenge. I believe that, when it is a matter of self-defense, then killing is justifiable, though only when there is no other clear option at the time. Quote: If i was defending my country and so was the other person, who would be in the right? Who would be in the wrong? You assume that there has to be a 'right' and 'wrong' in this situation. You are both doing your respective jobs, you just happen to be in on the opposite sides. In this situation, killing becomes a simple fact, nearly without morality involved. There is an accomplishment that needs doing, and that necessitates the killing of others. An unfortunate fact, albeit. Of course, that is not to say that things such as the Haditha massacres were excusable, as, in all situations, killing should be avoided. Especially of civilians and non-combatants, as they are not a part of the war you are fighting in. im sorry but i must say that that was beautifully said biggrin
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:05 pm
THE BIBLE SAIZ THOU SHALT NOT MURDER,
AND THEN GOD COMMANDS KILLING
TEW VRY DISTINCT WORDS IN ENGLISH & GR33K
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:57 pm
Tommy... Learn to spell!!! Also while your also learning the art of English... Get more mature to!
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:59 pm
IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS, THAT YOU, ARE IN FACT ARE THE IMMATURE ONE.
& I HAVE 4 YEARS ON YOU IN TERMS OF AGE.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:47 pm
Murder and Kill have 2 different meanings. And the original text of the Bible says thou shalt do no murder. There is a big difference.
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Kill - to deprive of life in any manner
Murder - To dliberately take another persons life with malice or forethought (You think it out and you do it)
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One of the 7 things God hates in the bible is "The shedding of innocent blood" It also says that "Innocent blood cries out to God" It dosnt say he condems the shedding of all blood. He is a God of justice. For example, Gods opinion on capital punishment.. God does not forbid capital punishment.
"Whoever sheds mans blood by man shall his blood be shed" Genesis 9:6
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As far as self defence, God does not forbid the killing of a theif who breaks into your house. "If a thief is caught breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." Exodus 22:22 You have a God given right to protect yourself.
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God does not forbid the killing in war. For example the difference between killing and murdering in war. King David killed thousands of men defending Israel in 18 different wars. However when King David murdered that one innocent man, God got mad and said you are a man with bloody hands and God refused to let him build the temple. Not because the thousands of ppl he killed in combat but because of the one innocent man he murdered God stopped him in his tracks.
In Romans 13 the Bible talks about subbmission to authority. When you are fighting in a war you are fighting under you commander and cheif. The Bible says you must submit yourself to governing authorities, and that God has given authority to the nations. However when the government wants you to do something that God condems you are free to follow the word of God
So in other words if your government is doing what is right as far as defending a good cause, protecting ppl. You are to submit to your governments authority and when you kill someone its under defence of those good things. If your government authority however has evil intentions say for example the nazi's, even terrorists, and God condems thier actions, God gives you permission to regect the evil governments authority and follow Gods word. Because those government authorities are fighting for the purpose of shedding innocent blood for thier own selfish gain, and in no way defending anything but persuing to do evil things.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:06 am
`Kel` Murder and Kill have 2 different meanings. And the original text of the Bible says thou shalt do no murder. There is a big difference. ------------------------------------------------- Kill - to deprive of life in any manner Murder - To dliberately take another persons life with malice or forethought (You think it out and you do it) ------------------------------------------------- One of the 7 things God hates in the bible is "The shedding of innocent blood" It also says that "Innocent blood cries out to God" It dosnt say he condems the shedding of all blood. He is a God of justice. For example, Gods opinion on capital punishment.. God does not forbid capital punishment.
"Whoever sheds mans blood by man shall his blood be shed" Genesis 9:6 -------------------------------------------------- As far as self defence, God does not forbid the killing of a theif who breaks into your house. "If a thief is caught breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." Exodus 22:22 You have a God given right to protect yourself.-------------------------------------------------- God does not forbid the killing in war. For example the difference between killing and murdering in war. King David killed thousands of men defending Israel in 18 different wars. However when King David murdered that one innocent man, God got mad and said you are a man with bloody hands and God refused to let him build the temple. Not because the thousands of ppl he killed in combat but because of the one innocent man he murdered God stopped him in his tracks.
In Romans 13 the Bible talks about subbmission to authority. When you are fighting in a war you are fighting under you commander and cheif. The Bible says you must submit yourself to governing authorities, and that God has given authority to the nations. However when the government wants you to do something that God condems you are free to follow the word of God
So in other words if your government is doing what is right as far as defending a good cause, protecting ppl. You are to submit to your governments authority and when you kill someone its under defence of those good things. If your government authority however has evil intentions say for example the nazi's, even terrorists, and God condems thier actions, God gives you permission to regect the evil governments authority and follow Gods word. Because those government authorities are fighting for the purpose of shedding innocent blood for thier own selfish gain, and in no way defending anything but persuing to do evil things. Thanks alot Kel, that was what I was looking for exactly!
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:20 am
trinity343 lordstar if the world comes to war than we have already failed our race failed long before that. back when Adam and Eve fell. it is sin that is the cause of war. just like in the OT when God sent the isrialites out to battle to claim the promised land, the enemies were ppls who had turned from God and sinned without care. a ppl to far gone to turn back the wrath of God at that time, so in that their own sin caused them to be in war and lose it since God was on the side of those who call on him. the OT story of Adam and Eve is much different than most have read. but thats a different story
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:34 am
Who knows...A ex-WWII soldier, now priest, once said..I kill my foe with a tear in my eye and a acing heart..
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