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i'm not sure i really want to start this thread seeing as dillman is one of the most bashed people out there, plus he's incredibly cocky of himself but in my opinion he's one of the few that can do that and be able to take it and back it up. just wondering what you guys think of him and his organization because the full antibullshido site bashes him a lot but i've had him hit me a few times and can't stop learning his stuf. thoughts? comments?

um, i can't think of any main reason why it wouldn't work, but there are 2 things that pop into my head when i hear that. 1 is that when you do a no touch knockout the person goes really deep. almost into a coma, there was a point when they knocked someone out with that and 2 doctors certified him as dead and they were panicing before they managed to get him out of it and back conscious again, and the other thing that pops into my head is that there was a guy, lemme go and try to find where the site was, anyways, he appeared on the news in chicago claiming to be taught by dillman and he could do the same stuf when all he did was go to like 3 seminars and then miraculously "learned" all of the techniques.

however i am a brown belt in the art and i'm still learning quite a bit, i'm not bad at it though, i have tried at the no touch knockouts and pulled away before anything serious happened but feel free to pm unwingedangel. my test subject, my girlfriend, who i tried it on. it's kind of a weird feeling, but it's easiest to ask her otherwise i don't know about it not working on nonmembers. there's no one that i've met that it hasn't worked on but the no touch is dangerous stuf.

edit: as soon as i brought up the dillman bashing with my instructor he gave me a very interesting thought. all these techniques are cool and you can easily say they don't work. and see them and say they don't work, but to date. no one from the antibullshido site has actually had these techniques DONE on them. like you guys always say, you can talk crap, but unless you can back it up it's just crap.

I've been to plenty of seminars/schools dealing in pressure points, chi manipulation, energy cultivation etc and I've never noticed anything, I think its purely psychological.

The students perception is altered by the fact that he or she has a pre determined perception of what exactly is going to happen and thusly succumbs, its all basic manipulation and thats why no one outside of Dillman's organisation who is highly doubtful, skeptical or possessing a constructive, rationalising mind tends to be effected by them.

It's like when I went to some of the pressure point schools Kempo pointed out around my area (thank you for Kempo by the way) during sparring the actual techniques themselves were easily intercepted and riposted and stylisticly you guys seem too...frigid almost from alot of Kata work, trying to block etc and not conditioning the pupils to react in varying ranges and under various levels of force.

As for the actual pressure points after signing a few waivers I had a few applied to me, nothing happened, a few applied to a student, seemed to suffer from their effect, I even got my turn to apply some of the joint/manipulation locks I know, so so fun, haven't done any in aaages biggrin

Even the no touch knock outs after signing through a whole bunch of forms and calling my (soon to be angry) girlfriend about what I was going to partake in their was a huge build up and then...nothing...for commendable reasons the teacher refused to attempt a no touch knock out on any of his pupils.

I've never liked George Dillman, it may be because you've only heard one side of the story but alot, and I mean ALOT, of people have sent challenges, to him to either fight himself (unlikely given his age) or a proposed student, they're either ignored or replied in the negative.

Kempo, I recall you replying how it was "commendable" for someone on these forums to admit what they had been studying in for the past year or so bullshido but then later on getting highly annoyed because someone made a Dillman comment, stating how you've dedicated the past...8 years was it? of your life training and didn't like being called a fake etc.

The only way YOU can determine whether or not what you're doing it beneficial, never mind legitness, is to go into a full contact gym and sparr upon spar, its no good testing and sparring against your girlfriend, sooner or later you're going to have to throw down.

I'm more or less neutral on the topic. I don't check the bullshido forums because I don't have time and because everything is so one-sided, so I haven't heard as many anti-dillman arguments as you guys have. I also don't have enough experience with anything to be making a decision like that. I probably would have said it was bullshido simply because of some of the claims that he makes, however I've been to one of his top student's seminars, which I thought was pretty good (Note that I haven't been to many seminars so I really can't tell the difference between a "good" and "bad" seminar). So everything balances out; hopefully, if he comes back to LI for another seminar, I'll be able to attend this time and make a decision for myself.

Is that the video about a student of dillman's? I saw that. That BS is stinky; not just stinky: SCHTANKAY!

thanks really but i'm so used to it. it's their opinion and i have mine and nothing is wrong with either. i had the chance to talk with one of dillman's top students and we were discussing if chi and energy is real or not, and he brought up the point that it doesn't matter, so long as it works. so hey, if it exist good, if it doesn't fine but if it works or not is the only thing that matters. if it works for us and not others then hey, i guess that's how it turns out.

Meh, I guess various people want various things from their training.

2 reasons, 1 it works for me at least. 2 i've never seen anything like it before and i can't explain it, so i like studying it.