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That's there only tactic.

They believe they are right and that anything that disagree with them is wrong, no questions asked. Without so much as a shred of respect for the other side, they for the most part, just needlessly fling the most witty, tactless comments they can think of and they do not stop.

In a nutshell, as me and Mira has discussed in the past: They do the exact same thing done to them in ages past. Where women were degraded and looked down upon, they look to us with inferiority.

Their was a time where men were considered superior, hands down please. With the pro-choicers, only an opinion that allows for rampant, unregulated freedom is allowed, hands down please.

Please PM me. I have some dialogue that may amuse you. 3nodding

I'll tell you what I tell them whenever they go, "Well if they're so right why aren't they ever in the debate?"

Because the Gaian abortion debate is not a debate. It is a joke. You've got about five people asking one person the same question. All five will ask the same question. YOu'll answer it five times, and while you're answering that question five times (because the last four refuse to read it the first time you say it) the ones you've already answered start asking more questions, and when you don't answer immediately, it's, "LOL SHE DOESN'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT!" It's a sin to have a life. An orange is in fact a vegetable, pro-choice sources can be out of date and biased, but pro-life sources can't even be from the late nineties or a site saying something that contradicts the pro-choice standpoint even if it isn't endorsing either side, you're cruel if you're pro-life, and oh yes, if you're pro-life, you're stupid, and must want to have 10 children.

There is a reason I don't go in there. It's fruitless. The only thing it can accomplish is help fencers realize we aren't as stupid as we're made out to be. Otherwise, it's just plain painful. I literally had a seizure once reading through it. The rampant lack of respect just astounds me, because I know these young men and women are for the most part adults. It may have changed. I haven't been there for a long, long time. But I don't really want to find out. It's very disheartening. It presents a very negative portrayal of the pro-choice community in general.

I'm sorry. This may be very bitter sounding. I'm just so tired of it all.

Thank you for your answers. You reminded me of why I entered into the debate thread in the first place, for the sake of anyone who had not yet made up his/her mind. You also pointed out that it really isn't a debate thread per se, which is sadly true.

At that time it was over right to life vs. right to bodily integrity. I kept pushing the point that without right to life all other rights are irrelevant. They kept insisting a: the right to life derives from bodily integrity and/or b: there IS no right to life.

Could you give me some pointers on how to get started lobbying?

Well, if you REALLY want to be a genuine lobbyist in DC, that can be tough. But in the meantime, you can always write to congresspeople, sign petitions and start your own, and even if you don't want to go to law school you can study the same stuff. And I think it's important to work at a grassroots level, volunteering for crisis pregnancy centres and such. A little action goes a long way.

I heart DC. I was born there, actually.

If they'd just get rid of the politicians the city would be so awesome. Now every time I go I have to keep myself from stalking congresspeople I hate and accidentally pushing them down the stairs.