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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:18 pm
What do y'all know about having your Calling And Election Made Sure? For such an incredibly important topic, I find that it surprising that it is hardly ever talked about.
What do you guys think about it? Have you heard of it? Are you interested in it?
Do you think it is possible for it to happen to any of us?
Share your thought with the rest of the guild! It is a fun and important topic. Any thoughts you have are welcome and worth sharing. Let's all be edified together!
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:36 pm
My Seminary teacher knew a couple who had their calling and election made sure. They weren't General Authoritites, so yes, I beleive it can happen to anyone. Unfortunately, it would take a level of spiritual maturity that far exceeds anything I have. But just imagine, an angel or better comes and tells you that you've lived your life so well that you are gauranteed your salvation. It just blows my mind!
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The Kingdom Keeper Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:19 pm
You are right; it is mindblowing. I read that we are all supposed to seek after having our calling and election made sure. This was surprising to me because it seems like it should be discussed more if we are all supposed "to seek after it." I wish more people in here would answer these topics in here. I am grateful for you and the others who do offer their opinions in here. I love gospel discussions and sometimes it is tough to find people to talk to. I like the answers you give KK! smile
I think it is cool to imagine how it would be to see an angel. Imagine all that must happen if you had your C&A made sure. How awesome that would be!
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:01 pm
That would definately make my day! And that is a good question. Why don't they talk about it more... *thinks* . . . . . ! Maybe... um... well, that doctrine is pretty mind blowing, imagine you're a new convert. You're already used to know you have to strive to be perfect like Christ, you're bombarded with all these new and wonderful concpets that totally blow your mind. Then they tell you you're not just trying to be like Christ, your trying to be like Christ. Does that make sense? Think about it, with our finite thinking, to be so good, so righteous, so perfect, that you are guaranteed your salvation!That's daunting for someone like me, imagine what it would do to someone who's still wet behind the ears! Heck! Converts go inactive for less! you give 'em a talk assignment too soon, they goes brother so-and-so, give'em a calling, darn we loss sister what's-her-face.
We're all spose to learn at our own pace, this is a time of probation, a time for us to personally progress and achieve our salvation.
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The Kingdom Keeper Captain
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:25 am
I definitely agree that it can be too much for some new converts to think about. The same is true about the King Follet discourse. But, it seems to me like there is a way to discuss it so that we don't chase away anyone who is new to the church or isn't totally prepared for this type of discussion.
That's another good thing about this guild you created here. We can discuss cool things in a safe environment. Thanks for all your hard work! smile
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:59 pm
What exactly is the King Follet discoarse? The "As man is god once was..." thing was me and I quoted that from the BoM.
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The Kingdom Keeper Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:16 pm
You couldn't have quoted that from the Book of Mormon, because it's not in the Book of Mormon. You will not find that statement in any of the 4 standard works.
It was first mentioned at the funeral of a Latter-Day Saint by the name of Elder King Follet in April 1844. Joseph Smith was asked to speak by many of Follet's friends and family. It has now come to be known as the King Follet Discourse. What Joseph Smith actually said was "God himself was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man..." The line which you quoted..."As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be" comes from James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, Ch.24, p.430 - p.431. That line has been repeated by many other authors and general authorities as well.
You are not the only person who thinks it comes from the scriptures. Many think it is in the Book of Mormon while many others think it is in the Doctrine And Covenants. However, this idea is not taught as official church doctrine. While you and I may believe it is true, it has never been voted on or included in the standard works, so it is referred to as a religious concept that many in our faith believe. President Hinckley actually prefers it not to be taught in church because it is considered too deep for many to understand and oftentimes leads to doctrinal problems for some members. Certainly many outside the church attack us because Joseph Smith taught it.
However, all that being said, I believe it firmly and have no problems with it whatsoever!
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:33 pm
Sorry botu that, I was thinking "Adam fell that men might be..."
But I coulda sworn it was in the D&C...
Hmm... oh well.
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The Kingdom Keeper Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:29 pm
I'm not completely sure what it is, any help?
Once I know, I can join this great discussion with you guys!
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:23 am
Great question Babs...
Having your Calling and Election Made Sure basically means you have alredy gone through the judgement stage and have been declared eligible to enter the Celestial Kingdom. The only thing that would keep it from happening is by denying the Holy Ghost and leaving the church or by commiting murder. As far as I know, there are no official records kept on who it has happened to, but I could be wrong on that. We know that it happened to Joseph Smith, Abraham, Enoch, and many others. It is possible for it to happen to any of us. Joseph Smith taught quite alot about this subject. He said it is something we all should seek after. My question is: If it is so imprtant and something we should seek after, why is it discussed so little nowadays? I think we all should talk about it more.
That is the basic explanation of this topic. If you want more information concerning what exactly your calling is and your election is and the difference between the two are, just let me know.
Now you can jump in the discussion. wink
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:08 am
Oh, I understand now. Thanks, snaksie. wink
That would be an amazing thing to go through.
Just yesterday in Sunday School, we were learning about ********* J. Grant doing what I think is similar to that (tell me if I'm wrong...).
When he was called to be an apostle, (sp?) he thought he was called just because he knew most of the General Authorities. He had a dream or a vision or something where he saw his father, Jedidiah Grant, with other past General Authorities/Apostles discussing ********* calling with the Savior. The Savior decided it would be a great thing to have ********* be an apostle. He then knew he was supposed to be there, doing the Lord's work.
Oh man. I just realized that's not as similar as I thought. Or is it? I'm not completely sure if I'm right or not...
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:04 pm
That's an incredible experience that helped him and strengthened his testimony! But that's not the same as having you calling and election made sure. But I'm glad you shared that because I had never heard that story before. A new stake president in my old stake (2 stakes ago) siad that he hoped someone in his stake would have their calling and election made sure while he was stake president. I wasn't there when he said it but 2 of my friends told me about it. I think that's cool that he said it because it started people thinking about it and some others found out what it meant.
I hope more people start talking about it, like we are. smile
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:50 am
What do you think happens when your calling and election is made sure?
Are there any prerequisites to have it happen?
Any ideas at all?
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:16 pm
This is the first time that I've heard of this! I don't recall ever hearing this in church or in seminary. If I did, it must have blew through my mind.
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Elder Artemis Simetra Crew
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:46 pm
Artemis Simetra This is the first time that I've heard of this! I don't recall ever hearing this in church or in seminary. If I did, it must have blew through my mind. This may very well be the first time you've heard about it. It isn't spoken of very much in church anymore. Do you have any questions about it, or do you understand it now? It's a pretty cool topic!
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