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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:55 pm
If thousands of years ago, if we never developed monical trade (money), would we be better off?
To me, without the need for money, much of the crime in the world would not exist; examples such as thievery, embezzeling, and most murders.
For ideas of what would motivate people to do the 'dirty jobs', such as Discovery has a show for, we wouldn't be asking ourselves, "What would I get out of doing it?", it would be just that it needed to be done and we'd be happy to do it, since there wouldn't probably be a 'want' to get it done for money anymore in that sense, if that makes sense.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:51 pm
Drak of Paradise If thousands of years ago, if we never developed monical trade (money), would we be better off? To me, without the need for money, much of the crime in the world would not exist; examples such as thievery, embezzeling, and most murders. For ideas of what would motivate people to do the 'dirty jobs', such as Discovery has a show for, we wouldn't be asking ourselves, "What would I get out of doing it?", it would be just that it needed to be done and we'd be happy to do it, since there wouldn't probably be a 'want' to get it done for money anymore in that sense, if that makes sense. No, I believe people would find other reasons to commit the same crimes. Land, terriotory, personal assets, and control over other human beings, being a few examples. Money isn't the problem. It's the greedy bastards that can't get enough of it, and will do anything to get more that are the problem. Since I don't see why having no currency would make humanity different, no, I don't think we'd be better off.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:08 pm
I do think on a certain level we'd be better off, but I dont think going back to trading goods for goods would necessarily make these crimes totally disappear. I think it would be somewhat reduced tho. I mean.. if we started trading goods for goods again, those without any goods or without a trade would still have to steal. it might not happen as often tho, because trade goods arent as versatile as money. you cant go on a bahama vacation by paying with a crate full of oranges say.. or lumber, or cloth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:32 pm
Before there was the money we know of today there was crops, property, livestock, etc. Money has forever existed, just not in the sense we know of today.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:49 pm
Sakyh Before there was the money we know of today there was crops, property, livestock, etc. Money has forever existed, just not in the sense we know of today. Yet how easy was it to transport it back then? It would be a bit hard to steal a planted crop of something, or to steal someone's house while they were sleeping in it right?
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:25 pm
Drak of Paradise Sakyh Before there was the money we know of today there was crops, property, livestock, etc. Money has forever existed, just not in the sense we know of today. Yet how easy was it to transport it back then? It would be a bit hard to steal a planted crop of something, or to steal someone's house while they were sleeping in it right? Not really. The Europeans did it to the Native Americans. IN FACT, they managed to steal an entire continent from them. If that can be done, anything can be stolen. They didn't have to transport something to steal it. Simply kill the people that own it. smile
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:08 am
Drak of Paradise Sakyh Before there was the money we know of today there was crops, property, livestock, etc. Money has forever existed, just not in the sense we know of today. Yet how easy was it to transport it back then? It would be a bit hard to steal a planted crop of something, or to steal someone's house while they were sleeping in it right? yeah, that's what I meant by trade goods not being as versatile as coinage.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:53 am
I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:36 am
unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:10 pm
lilraine unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept. I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:56 pm
namida_no_chi lilraine unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept. I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money. I think the problem really is because money is so versatile. money = power. wealth always equaled power.. be it wealth in land, cattle, or crops, those with the most controlled. so when coinage came along, it fueled the greed ever further because you could do more with such currency. buy armies, create empires.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:01 pm
lilraine namida_no_chi lilraine unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept. I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money. I think the problem really is because money is so versatile. money = power. wealth always equaled power.. be it wealth in land, cattle, or crops, those with the most controlled. so when coinage came along, it fueled the greed ever further because you could do more with such currency. buy armies, create empires. Yes, but in the end I still maintain my original position: Money isn't the problem. It's the greedy bastards that can't get enough of it, and will do anything to get more that are the problem. Money isn't evil, and money isn't greed. The problem there lies with human beings, and their choices, and their seeming inability to be content with anything less than what anyone else has. It really disgusts me.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:50 am
namida_no_chi lilraine namida_no_chi lilraine unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept. I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money. I think the problem really is because money is so versatile. money = power. wealth always equaled power.. be it wealth in land, cattle, or crops, those with the most controlled. so when coinage came along, it fueled the greed ever further because you could do more with such currency. buy armies, create empires. Yes, but in the end I still maintain my original position: Money isn't the problem. It's the greedy bastards that can't get enough of it, and will do anything to get more that are the problem. Money isn't evil, and money isn't greed. The problem there lies with human beings, and their choices, and their seeming inability to be content with anything less than what anyone else has. It really disgusts me. I meant that as if to say, this is why people see money as at fault. most people dont want to see the root of evil being inherent within themselves. since money fuels greed like nothing else possibly could, it's the natural alternative. it's where people would rather place the blame.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:08 pm
lilraine namida_no_chi lilraine namida_no_chi lilraine unrequietedCat I disagree. I don't think that crime would dissapear if we were a bartering system instead of monoary one. There is always going to be crime. People will commit crmes over anything society assigns value to. Doesn't matter if it happens to be cold hard cash or material goods. yep I too agree. as I said, it might lessen certain crimes a little (bank robberies, money laundering schemes, etc) but crime has always been and always will be on some level. naimida is right, if they couldnt move a commodity they'd send an army to plunder a villiage. that's what ancient armies used to do when on the march.. had to feed their troops somehow. the reason why money is seen to be the root of all evil is because it's highly versatile.. it's easily movable, and represents wealth of every kind.. be it real estate, rich in crops or cattle, coinage represents it all. but it isnt the root of all evil. human greed is. and that, my friends, is inherent to some degree in every one of us. some more than others. it's the negative side of humanity we must accept. I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money. I think the problem really is because money is so versatile. money = power. wealth always equaled power.. be it wealth in land, cattle, or crops, those with the most controlled. so when coinage came along, it fueled the greed ever further because you could do more with such currency. buy armies, create empires. Yes, but in the end I still maintain my original position: Money isn't the problem. It's the greedy bastards that can't get enough of it, and will do anything to get more that are the problem. Money isn't evil, and money isn't greed. The problem there lies with human beings, and their choices, and their seeming inability to be content with anything less than what anyone else has. It really disgusts me. I meant that as if to say, this is why people see money as at fault. most people dont want to see the root of evil being inherent within themselves. since money fuels greed like nothing else possibly could, it's the natural alternative. it's where people would rather place the blame. Scapegoat.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:44 am
namida_no_chi lilraine namida_no_chi lilraine namida_no_chi I totally agree. I have to laugh at people who say money is the root of all evil. It reminds me of this show I was watching about people who win the lottery (called like "The curse of the lottery" or something like that). They were discussing all of these different people who did all sorts of stupid things: Wasting money on material goods and they becoming totally poor and depressed, being depressed because people hound you for money, being so abosorbed in your omney that you become paranoid and people avoid you for it, having your family leave you because you decide you can do just about anything now that you have money, having the means to support drug addiction, committing suicide, there was even this one lady who got drunk and got into a car accident and killed and paralized her passengers. I fail to see how ANY of that is the money's fault. The result of how some people are really stupid, sure, but not money. I think the problem really is because money is so versatile. money = power. wealth always equaled power.. be it wealth in land, cattle, or crops, those with the most controlled. so when coinage came along, it fueled the greed ever further because you could do more with such currency. buy armies, create empires. Yes, but in the end I still maintain my original position: Money isn't the problem. It's the greedy bastards that can't get enough of it, and will do anything to get more that are the problem. Money isn't evil, and money isn't greed. The problem there lies with human beings, and their choices, and their seeming inability to be content with anything less than what anyone else has. It really disgusts me. I meant that as if to say, this is why people see money as at fault. most people dont want to see the root of evil being inherent within themselves. since money fuels greed like nothing else possibly could, it's the natural alternative. it's where people would rather place the blame. Scapegoat. call it what you will. doesnt change anything.
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