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 Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:52 pm
So...Snape...In the first five books, you know that he's a teacher, and a powerful one...but how powerful? In book six, we learn that he makes his own spells. This is a tricky feat on its own.
He is also a potions master (of course.) However, I think he may be a cut above the rest. In the third book, he makes the wolfsbane potion. According to Lupin, this is a VERY difficult potion to make. He says that "Very few wizards would be good enough to make it" (paraphrase)
Now, on mugglecast, I heard a theory that I have to agree with. Snape is possibly the third best Wizard in the world, next to Dumbledore and Voldemort. This may not be true, as we do not have infinite knowledge on all of the Prominent Wizards.
"But Foutysecondscarf!" you say, "if he was so great, how come Hermione didn't read about him when they were looking for Nicolas Flamel? (or at least in a different book?)"
My answer... Most of his spells were scribbled in the potions book. He obviously never sought fame and fortune, and so was never recognized. He is something of an "undercover man" in that sense.
Other notes: In book two, during the duel, he tells Draco to use "Serpensortia" which makes a snake appear. This spell never shows up anywhere else. Is it possible that he made this spell too?
THOUGHTS!
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:09 pm
I think you're theory is very plausible and I totally agree. Snape could in fact be the third best wizard in the world, just not known to a lot of people.
That he did make his own spells, and that he could brew the Wolfsbane Potion suggests that he is a very powerful wizard.
Another hint at this is while he's teaching Harry Occlumency. He says that he was a expert user of it. (if I remember right) He is also able to keep the Dark Lord from seeing Order meetings with Legilimency when Voldemort is supposed to be an expert Legilimens. That's a huge hint (to me anyways) to the extent of his powers.
Serpensortia could have been a spell he made, now that I think about. When Draco used it, Lockhart tried to banish the snake but couldn't. Then, Snape gets rid of it while everyone else stood by watching as Gilderoy aggravated it and Harry spoke to it. Another hint of his powers. That's my opinon anyways.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:27 am
I do agree, I think snape is a powerful wizard.
Lockhart wasn't much of a wizard though, you remember- he was only really good at memory charms, if I'm correct. So it's probable that the snake could have been banished by someone else. Though, if it's snape's spell, then perhaps not.
I do agree on the Occlumency/Legilimency argument though. Voldemort might pretend he's the best wizard, but Snape was able to best him, able to trick him for years to think he's really on his side. That's a feat in itself.
And I do think he'd probably made most of his spells for his own use, so he wouldn't have shown anyone, tried to keep them secret.
When harry uses Sectumsempra on Draco, Snape was also able to clean up the wounds with a spell. It's possible it was a counter to the actual spell, that he made up, or one he learned elsewhere. Either way, we know he's also gifted with healing. He did confine the curse on Dumbledore to just one hand, and saved him a year of his life. That's something, you'd think, seeing as it's a curse Voldemort cast himself.
Anyway, that's my argument.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:53 am
I agree that he is very powerful! Most of his power I think comes from anger and frustration.
Whit White White!!!!
I think this because of Lily, he loved her but could not have her. So he spent his whole life trying to protect her son. Like Mrs.Wealsey said when I wizzard is mad or frustrated they tend to do inconspicuous magic. So mabey it was anger magic. idk I confused my self in a way.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:19 pm
Hey cool!!! I totally agree with all of you (except maby SuperKoolPartyGal)
I had forgotten about The Occulmancy bit. It takes a REALLY powerful wizard to resist the Dark Lord, and TRICK him....I mean...Voldimort could smell a lie a mile away...but now with Snape...
He may have even been better than Dumbledore, just less accomplished. The fact that he stopped that curse from spreading is really amazing, seeing as Dumbledore couldn't do it.
if situations had been different....
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:48 pm
There are so many wizards, though, that are very powerful as well. What about Flamel, Grindelwald, Ollivander, or Gregorovitch? What about Harry? I'm not saying that Snape isn't powerful, because it is very clear he is. I just believe that it is "counting your chickens before they're hatched" to try to place him third, when we can't even imagine the other wizards JKR has dreamed up for this universe.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:19 pm
fourtysecondscarf Hey cool!!! I totally agree with all of you (except maby SuperKoolPartyGal) I had forgotten about The Occulmancy bit. It takes a REALLY powerful wizard to resist the Dark Lord, and TRICK him....I mean...Voldimort could smell a lie a mile away...but now with Snape... He may have even been better than Dumbledore, just less accomplished. The fact that he stopped that curse from spreading is really amazing, seeing as Dumbledore couldn't do it. if situations had been different.... O.o I see what you mean! biggrin It was just a gess! lol xd
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:57 pm
hadassah81 There are so many wizards, though, that are very powerful as well. What about Flamel, Grindelwald, Ollivander, or Gregorovitch? What about Harry? I'm not saying that Snape isn't powerful, because it is very clear he is. I just believe that it is "counting your chickens before they're hatched" to try to place him third, when we can't even imagine the other wizards JKR has dreamed up for this universe. That is true...and I make allusions to that in the first post....but as for Harry....I don't think he's THAT great of a wizard. Yes, he's powerful...but If he and Snape were in a duel, Snape would win... also...Flamel and Gridelwald are dead.... Ollivander is a smart wandmaker...but I'm not so sure about his power...He is cool though...
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:23 pm
I have to agree with Hadassah. There are many other wizards that are powerful, not just Dumbledore, Snape and Voldemort. Just as she said, there's Flamel, Grindlewald, Ollivander and Gregorovitch. Also, wouldn't the Founders of Hogwarts be considered great witches and wizards. I mean, Godric Gryffindor, Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff and Salazaar Slytherin were the ones who created Hogwarts, passed down a legacy, a school and they had even created the Sorting Hat. They had to have a great deal of intellect, courage and power to do such a thing.
Another thing I would like the point out, the title of the thread says: Sane: Third most powerful wizard of all time? Might I point out the fact that is says "Of All Time". This means wizards and witches from before the Founder's time can be considered in this race, including dead ones.
Fourty Second Scarf, you pointed out that Flamel and Grindlewald are dead. Well, consider this: Albus Dumbledore is dead, yet he is still being considered one of the most powerful wizards according to the first post.
Also, I would like to point out that at the end of Book 7, all three of the wizards Professor Albus Dumbledore, Tom Marvolo "Voldemort" Riddle, and Professor Severus Snape are all dead. Thus, by using the guidelines Fourty has just pointed out, couldn't be counted in this race.
Which leads me to my last point: We can't really say that Snape is the third most powerful wizard because there are so many witches and wizards in the world JK Rowling created, and we don't even know who a fraction of them all.
No, I'm not saying that Snape is a powerful wizard. I'm saying that,yes, he is powerful, as almost everyone here has pointed out, but he might not be the third most powerful.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:52 pm
Note: This thread is called "Snape: Third most powerful wizard of OUR time"
And by that, I mean, in the span of the seven books.
and I do acknowledge that there are many magical people that we don't know about...but from the ones that we DO know...Snape....
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:55 pm
Sorry 'bout that.
But still, Flamel is alive in the span of the seven books. Remember book one? He's still alive then and had given the stone to Dumbledore. He didn't die until after the first book because Dumbledore says that he and his wife were living out the rest of their days peacefully.
And! Grindlewald's alive in the flashback section. xD
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:44 pm
Grr...I'm still not counting gridlewald...
*gets smote*
GAH!
and Flamel....eh...fine...*sticks out tongue*
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:45 am
True, true. Snape might not be the most powerful wizard from the seven-book span, but he's still one powerful wizard, you've got to admit (and you did, so no worries biggrin )
I'm partial to Snape mainly because of my fanfiction addiction. *hides pervy fanfic from mother* biggrin We all love you!
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:10 am
Phreise True, true. Snape might not be the most powerful wizard from the seven-book span, but he's still one powerful wizard, you've got to admit (and you did, so no worries biggrin ) I'm partial to Snape mainly because of my fanfiction addiction. *hides pervy fanfic from mother* biggrin We all love you! ah....Fanfiction...You gotta love Fanon vs Canon.... [link]
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:41 pm
To nitpick in favor of fourtysecondscarf, Flamel was technically an alchemist, not necessarily a wizard.
But I agree that Snape is wicked powerful 3nodding
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