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 Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:54 pm
Alrighty, we have, across all the Sonicverse, a variety of lackey/henchman characters for our favourite round villain, from Snively to Grimer, from Scratch & Grounder to Decoe and Becoe and the dingos from Underground.
I always hated the idea of Eggman having someone to boss around, but can understand the need, as it'd be tiresome for him to explain all his plans to the thin air, a partner is needed for that purpose, I guess.
But out of all the lackeys and henchmen, which do you think was the best, the little cousin, the Grima Wormtongue wannabe, the robots or the bumbling Australians?
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:04 pm
Actually, only Dingo was Australian-sounding... I'm not sure what accent Sleet had, and he was a wolf, by the way. :p
Just clearing that up.
If you want comedy, a lackey is a good place to start. That's all Scratch and Grounder were; robots that could be blown to pieces, melted, flattened, and rebuilt infinitely purely for slapstick humour.
But lackeys also make good backstabbing traitors (like Starscream to Megatron in Transformers), which is something that Snively looked like becoming in SatAM, though he never really openly betrayed Robotnik until his 'death' in the final episode, after which, taking over could hardly be seen as an act of open betrayal... unless you're a psycopathic megalomaniac who thinks he rules the world, which Robotnik was, so... :p
As for Grimer, he was just a skulking sycophant, who looked like one of Robotnik's failed experiments (although he wasn't because he seems to have a family, thanks to Lew Stringer's awful filler story about his cousin, Slimey and his deadly shrink ray!). He looked better in the earlier stories too, when one eye was open wider than the other and one of his ears was horribly oversized. Grimer's best function, really, was to act as an object for Robotnik to shout at when his plans failed, which is what Snively was in the first season of SatAM.
Lackeys are excellent, and indeed necessary, for supervillains who believe themselves to be perfect (as most do), as it allows them to shift the blame for their failures onto someone else, an inferior.
But still, among lackeys I have no preference really (unless you count preferring all the alternatives to Sleet and Dingo). I like Robotnik without any real assistant or lackey. There's nothing wrong with talking to one's self when one is a deranged scientist who wants to take over the world after all. :p
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:37 am
Coconuts XD hands down. (From AoStH) You gotta admire the fact that he still LIKES Dr. Robotnik even though he's forced into Sewer Patrol and still wants to impress him. Even so, he's all about jumping ship on the captain when the boat starts sinking (especially when Mama Robotnik comes to town!).
Sides, having an assistant means you can have someone to blame whenever things go wrong. Of course in AoStH Buttnik's case, it would probably be better if he got rid of Scratch and Grounder...
Honestly though, in my humble opinion, I think he's grown attached to them and senses that if nothing else, they're very loyal and loyal henchmen are hard to come by. All he has to do is scream a little and they stand at attention xD unlike Snively who Julian HAS to know that he's making faces behind his back... hehehe or not. We never really get to explore that except maybe in the pilot ep "Heads or Tails."
A bad guy's nothing without his personal army to back him up - unless he just happens to be a one-man-army. Robotnik just wouldn't be Robotnik without some nasty bots under his control smile He doesn't like to get his hands dirty wink
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:42 pm
I'd prefer all the Baddies/Robots he makes. xp seeing as the others weren't all that great.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:03 am
Black___Dragon I'd prefer all the Baddies/Robots he makes. xp seeing as the others weren't all that great. Wjhat was it about the others that really let them down for you? I'm just curious. smile
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:22 am
Snively and Grimer were just there and didn't really do a whole lot. They were just lackies, and that's all. The Robots from AoStH were way too cheese, as I think the cartoon was, but hey, it's sonic, so I watched 'em. Decoe and Becoe. All I have to say is WTF? Who the, well, you know. I've either never heard of them, or Don't remember them by name. The Dingoes? Well, they were easy to kick butt once sonic & Co. get around to it. not all that exciting. The numerous Badniks and such make it at least a little interesting throughout the series, such as buzz bombers and chompers and such.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:45 am
Well, Grimer DID alot of dirty work, just not neccasarily on the front lines. I mean he decieved the Drakon empire by joining their ranks, he invented Metallix and The Alpha Device and has, on occasion, tried to take the lesser Freedom Fighters out on his own, usually in his masters absence or when Lew Stringer has nothing better to write.
Also, Decoe and Becoe are the robots in Sonic X, they don't do much except offer supportive comments, mild humour and have a bulldozer set next to the 4th wall ready to tear it down whenever things get too serious.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:05 am
Samwise Chubb Well, Grimer DID alot of dirty work, just not neccasarily on the front lines. I mean he decieved the Drakon empire by joining their ranks, he invented Metallix and The Alpha Device and has, on occasion, tried to take the lesser Freedom Fighters out on his own, usually in his masters absence or when Lew Stringer has nothing better to write. Also, Decoe and Becoe are the robots in Sonic X, they don't do much except offer supportive comments, mild humour and have a bulldozer set next to the 4th wall ready to tear it down whenever things get too serious. I think you guys may have your Grimers crossed. smile I have to agree with Black Dragon, though - there was much more room for variety in robots, and faceless automata can be a lot more menacing. Sidekicks with their own name and agenda're always struck with the problem of being limited by the villain.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:31 pm
Samwise Chubb Well, Grimer DID alot of dirty work, just not neccasarily on the front lines. I mean he decieved the Drakon empire by joining their ranks, he invented Metallix and The Alpha Device and has, on occasion, tried to take the lesser Freedom Fighters out on his own, usually in his masters absence or when Lew Stringer has nothing better to write. Also, Decoe and Becoe are the robots in Sonic X, they don't do much except offer supportive comments, mild humour and have a bulldozer set next to the 4th wall ready to tear it down whenever things get too serious. Oh, right, yeah, I know those robots. One of Eggman's lesser creations. mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:15 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:23 pm
Well, having now watched most of Sonic X, bar the last few episodes (there's no rush after all, they'll still be on my harddrive this time tomorrow), I can now give a more educated view of Decoe, Bocoe, and Bokkun (or Messenger Robo as everything seems to call him).
Up until around episode 13 (After the Attack on Eggman's Base), Decoe and Bocoe didn't seem to be very important at all, just obediant backround characters around Eggman's base. However, by that episode they started to become, as Samwise pointed out, comic relief (what with reacting to Eggman like he was one of GUN's fighter jets and shooting at him with his own defences), which is all well and good in moderation... However, it seems to me that from then on all they did was stand around making funny comments, often at Eggman's own expense, which I found surprising. I think the occasional joke worked, like infrequently bulldosing the fourth wall, but outright telling their lord and master that he's a moron? Any other incarnation of the doctor would melt them down for such insolence. :p
I think the humour side of the Eggman Empire was best left to Bokkun, with the occasional passing comment from Decoe and Bocoe, when appropriate (rather than constantly). Bokkun was there specifically to be funny after all.
Anyway, as lackies, Decoe and Bocue weren't bad, but I think they could've toned down the pointless humour a bit... Honestly, between episode 13 and 26, I struggle to find a single episode in which I can actually take Eggman seriously, and that's mostly because of those two. Bokkun, however, is perfect; I love Bokkun. ^_^
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