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 Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:05 pm
I have thought, of how many prisons become over filled, and they release the 'less threatening' prisoners because of such. I gave thought over the last few weeks of a more futuristic and yet today's tech possible solution, though I am tweaking ideas of it, along with outcomes.
My thought, is of an isolation tank, not for confinement entirely, but of status. Think, of the tanks of water someone is in, allowing their senses to build up in silence and without stimulation, yet within a slumber with chemical supplement and maintenance.
I combined thought of Demolition Man, of status, perhaps with stimulation of thought through though sounds to calm the mind to hypnosis of pushing outside of the mind thoughts of violence and any behavior that got them to the prison. Of course this is only for the highest threat criminals.
The only current issue of this I have, is sanity. Imprisoned within the mind can be far worse than just a prison confinement, even of solitary. I have had issues of such which has kept me in a state of half insanity.
Not sure if this post is correct for the sub-forum, but it seemed to fit.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:08 pm
No-one would buy it, even for prisoners. It violates human rights, and is both unethical and immoral.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:24 am
I agree with Dawn. besides...they'd still be taking up space.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:56 am
lilraine I agree with Dawn. besides...they'd still be taking up space. Only if thinking upon a still horizontal. Thinking upon a 3d structure however increases efficiency. Though in question, is it allowed then to kill, or is that against human rights?
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:19 pm
Or what if you just re-instated chain-gangs? Notice how when they were around you didn't have problems with prision over-population. What kind of message are we sending potential criminals when, for committing a crime, they get free room and board, free education, free meals, free cable tv, free work out equipment, and all they have to do is break the law, then sit around all day? I heard about this one case a few years back where some lady like went and slashed someone's tires just so she would get sent to jail so she could get her diploma... we shouldn't have prisions being so nice people WANT to go to jail, it's supposed to be the opposite. Otherwise they become overcrowded (to the point where REAL crimilas are just simple released into the population) and a financial burden on the tax payers.
I don't really see how people would be repaying their debt to society sitting around on chemical substances all day in a isolation tank. They're not really learning not to do it again.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:08 pm
I agree with namida. I do not see how sitting around would teach them a lesson, deter crime, or rehabilitate anyone.
You mentioned how they might go insane (or more insane) from the confinement, and I agree that would be a possibility. I do not think it would be wise to purposefully put criminals in a situation where they may get even "less sane" than they were originally.
It also does not sound cheap, which means taxpayers aren't likely to go for it.
I think namida is thinking along the right lines. It would be cheaper, possibly safer, and possibly more effective to take away some of the "luxuries" that they get in prison that some of us law abiding citizens can't even afford for ourselves yet pay for for criminals through tax dollars.
Ideally, prisons should keep us safe, teach criminals a lesson, deter crime, pay society back, and rehabilitate offenders so that they can be released and become productive.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:49 pm
Drak of Paradise lilraine I agree with Dawn. besides...they'd still be taking up space. Only if thinking upon a still horizontal. Thinking upon a 3d structure however increases efficiency. Though in question, is it allowed then to kill, or is that against human rights? well remember, death by lethal injection isn't painful. First he's numbed, then put into a coma sleep, then they stop his heart. But he's so deep asleep he doesn't feel anything. And I agree with Lilraine and Dawn And I berlieve prison needs to be made worse than it is. People commit federal crimes just to go to prision >_< One guy shot a postal worker cause in jail he'd at least eat three square meals a day.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:01 pm
namida_no_chi Or what if you just re-instated chain-gangs? Notice how when they were around you didn't have problems with prision over-population. What kind of message are we sending potential criminals when, for committing a crime, they get free room and board, free education, free meals, free cable tv, free work out equipment, and all they have to do is break the law, then sit around all day? I heard about this one case a few years back where some lady like went and slashed someone's tires just so she would get sent to jail so she could get her diploma... we shouldn't have prisions being so nice people WANT to go to jail, it's supposed to be the opposite. Otherwise they become overcrowded (to the point where REAL crimilas are just simple released into the population) and a financial burden on the tax payers. I don't really see how people would be repaying their debt to society sitting around on chemical substances all day in a isolation tank. They're not really learning not to do it again. Well getting all that free stuff, including body building to make themselves more of a threat isn't much of a solution. The idea I had was on a solution more of space issues, as releasing people just because there isn't anymore room just makes things much worse for the rest. Probably just sucking up chemicals in their dreams would decrease their muscle mass as well. Not saying it is entirely ethical to what today is dealing with, but it is much more efficient and safer for the general public than seeing a rapist go free for being in an over crowded prison.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:55 am
namida_no_chi Or what if you just re-instated chain-gangs? Notice how when they were around you didn't have problems with prision over-population. What kind of message are we sending potential criminals when, for committing a crime, they get free room and board, free education, free meals, free cable tv, free work out equipment, and all they have to do is break the law, then sit around all day? I heard about this one case a few years back where some lady like went and slashed someone's tires just so she would get sent to jail so she could get her diploma... we shouldn't have prisions being so nice people WANT to go to jail, it's supposed to be the opposite. Otherwise they become overcrowded (to the point where REAL crimilas are just simple released into the population) and a financial burden on the tax payers. I don't really see how people would be repaying their debt to society sitting around on chemical substances all day in a isolation tank. They're not really learning not to do it again. Y'know, I came across a fun little idea recently. Not exactly functional, but fun in principal. Was watching a movie called Papillion, and effectively it worked like this - at the prison the movie was set in, there were certain convicts, who, after doing their time, were hired on as bounty hunters or the prison to track escaped convicts across the island it was situated on. Still, would be useless outside of that very specific environment.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:26 am
truly, death isnt the worst punnishment out there. hell, we kill things because in certain situations it's the "humane" thing to do. put em out of their misery. but death removes the threat of a nutcase from society, and in a world where our jail cells are spilling over with people I dont think its a bad thing. but I only believe in the death penalty of certain kinda of criminals, which I already explained in another post.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:24 am
Drak of Paradise namida_no_chi Or what if you just re-instated chain-gangs? Notice how when they were around you didn't have problems with prision over-population. What kind of message are we sending potential criminals when, for committing a crime, they get free room and board, free education, free meals, free cable tv, free work out equipment, and all they have to do is break the law, then sit around all day? I heard about this one case a few years back where some lady like went and slashed someone's tires just so she would get sent to jail so she could get her diploma... we shouldn't have prisions being so nice people WANT to go to jail, it's supposed to be the opposite. Otherwise they become overcrowded (to the point where REAL crimilas are just simple released into the population) and a financial burden on the tax payers. I don't really see how people would be repaying their debt to society sitting around on chemical substances all day in a isolation tank. They're not really learning not to do it again. Well getting all that free stuff, including body building to make themselves more of a threat isn't much of a solution. The idea I had was on a solution more of space issues, as releasing people just because there isn't anymore room just makes things much worse for the rest. Probably just sucking up chemicals in their dreams would decrease their muscle mass as well. Not saying it is entirely ethical to what today is dealing with, but it is much more efficient and safer for the general public than seeing a rapist go free for being in an over crowded prison. No, giving them all of that free stuff isn't helping anything besides them, that's the point I was trying to get across. They shouldn't be going to jail to be in a better situation than they are outside of jail. Chain-gangs are a space-solver. They're actually doing something useful, and I think (based on the fact that you didn't have prison overpopulation back when they were still around) it would put a lot of petty criminals off of committing a crime, thus keeping more people out of jail. Your method isn't much better than just giving them all the free stuff. They're still suching down chemicals that other people have to pay for, and they're not really paying for their crimes.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:15 pm
It plays in with human and civil rights. In the U.S., the big complaint is that the prisoners are treated too well and given too many 'pass go' cards. Well, try other countries where laws are strict and prisons are heinous. Take Thailand for example: you may be forced to stand in a sewage tank filled up to your chin. Your body goes into poison shock, and you're sick in a very unsanitary holding cell. The punishments are cruel, and when you're in trouble, you have no rights. In Canada, when you drink and drive, those points never go away. You will always have them on your liscence.
They just fade away in the U.S.
Re-instating chain-gangs is a little over the top there..Keep in mind, we also have a large population, no health-care, and some serious disaster problems.
Now as for killing someone through the prison/law system, it ties into the civil rights of that location. The two sometimes don't coincide correctly, but namely anyone committing a serious enough crime is tried 'fairly'. Human rights aren't actually defined, but they play into a right to live, which when they violate another's, I suppose that's when it comes into effect.
There are isolation chambers, why not just stack those up? I mean, the only thing that would change is the food supply that would need to be given to them, and instead of a namely security staff, you would have to pay scientists atrocious wages to keep an eye on each tank and monitoring. In short, it would become a hospital for state-induced vegetables.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:57 pm
I posted this in another thread, but it really seems relevant here:
there's only one other thing I can think of (tho I dont think it would work with crazy serial killers.. might just make em mad..) and it's gonna sound harsh and cruel.. but I'd almost guarantee it would stop common criminals such as muggers, average murderers, thieves, etc.. in their tracks once they've experienced it.... public humiliation of some kind. other countries do it, but they go to the extreme and tend to make no differentiation between a jewel thief and someone starving and stealing for food. I wouldnt want that. it would have to be on a case by case basis.
not to mention it would be a major deterrant for innocent people to turn to that way of life.
and there's a better shot of them learning not to do it again.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:46 pm
Lilraine that's awesome! Oh man that's perfect.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:34 pm
Sakyh Lilraine that's awesome! Oh man that's perfect. I say again, I don't really see how people would be repaying their debt to society sitting around on chemical substances all day in a isolation tank. They're not really learning not to do it again, either. Such is the purpose of sending people to jail.
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