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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:42 pm


Ok, so, Lanzer just pretty much confirmed Werewolves to me. First animal skins, then the "Vampire's Enemy" comment, and then a comment to "Wait and See" for werewolves. "Wait and see" almost always means yes. I'm taking it as a yes. I'm making 5 mules, and a 6th one for Vampire skins.

Anyway, I was making a comment about why they may be trying to surprise us with it. You know, how they did with the Grunnies. (There was very little forshadowing related to X releasing a bunch of Grunnies. XD Except maybe at a con or something,I don't know. )

I was like, "Vampire Coven, Vampire Von Helsons, Vampire war, SURPRISE! IAN'S A WEREWOLF!"

But then... I thought about it, and the more I did, the more I realized...

What if Ian really is a werewolf?
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Think about it.

First of all, Ian was perfectly healthy until getting hit by that sniper's shot. Afterwards he was rather sickly. Now, Edmund stated that "They knew the shot wouln't kill Ian."

Now, how would they know that? My first guess was that "Ian is a Vampire, and the shot did kill him, he just revived himself."
However, he's been seen in daylight, and he obviously doesn't have the thirst for human blood.

Now, here's why Ian could be a werewolf.

When Ian was shot, the bullet was clearly not silver, it was an ordinary bullet.
Now, Zhivago has extraordinary aim, under any circumstances. But how can you be 100 percent sure a shot wouldn't kill someone, especially one in the chest?
Simple, if you know their body would resist it.

Here is my theory.

Ian is a Von Helson, however unlike the majority of the Von Helsons, Ian's curse is not Vamprism, but rather Lupine Lycanthropy (Werewolfism). Like most of the Von Helsons however, his curse remained dormant until a trigger was placed. For most Von Helsons, it was death. But for a werewolf, instead of simply dieing and rising again, his body started to kick start in a fight for survival. The shot in the chest activated his dormant lycanthropy, allowing him to survive the shot from the normal bullet. However, he was now a Werewolf, and therefore could not return to his store. Gambino and Edmund, for some unknown reason (Pity? Common Enemy? Ian's Knowledge of the strange pills?) offer him assistance. Lycanthropy Suppressant Treatment, as well as protection. As long as Ian underwent treatment, he would not transform, though he would be rather sickly as his body attempted to transform but failed.
(This explains why he was a Human like the others on the Full Moon, but "Looked Terrible.")
On Halloween, he will miss a treatment (accidentally, or possibly on purpose as to combat the vampires effectively) and transform into...

IAN VON HELSON, WEREWOLF KING. (Dramatic music)
Blah blah blah, stuff happens, we get skins, the end.

What support do we have for this?

1.) Louie is the Heir to the Vampire Coven. He has to kill is brother (Ian, most likely). Now, if Ian was a Vonpire, and the trigger was death, then killing the obviously still mortal Ian would just make him a more dangerous rival.
However, if Ian was heir to a different throne, one such as the king of Werewolves, then it would be in the Vonpire's best interests to kill him.

2.) The Prophecy (via my interpretation) warns of supernatural war between the Vampires and their Rivals.
Here's how it goes.
A shining flash will consume the world, signaling the return of the Von Helsons greatest rivals. (Gambino returns with the "White Eclipse". Also, this is around the time where Ian's nearly recovered, meaning his Lycanthropy is nearly fully awakened.)
The Heir to the Coven will be sent out to destroy the threat to the Vampires, but his attentions will be drawn to a beautiful mortal woman(Moria), making him doubt his mission, and his position as heir to the Vonpire Coven. (Beware the Flower of the Night. Flower of the Night can mean either the Black Orchids, or a Beautiful Woman met at night).
The mortal Woman will be the long time friend of the enemy, though she will not know of his true nature. She will try to prevent the Heir from murdering his brother.
The last part has two interpretations.
He will have to decide whether to follow his role as the Heir to the Vonpire's and murder his brother, leaving his lover behind.
Or, he will choose to spare his brother. However, if he does, the war between Vampires and Werewolves will begin, forcing him to choose to fight with his brethren, or protect his mortal lover (and possibly the rest of Gaia).

Therefore, killing Ian is meant to prevent the Vonpires Rivals gaining power. For if the Werewolf King awoke, the Vonpire Coven would surely fall.
Ian is the only canidate for being the werewolf king, as he's the target the Vonpires want to kill.

So, does this make any sense to you at all? I lost my train of thought halfway through.
Ian would make a cool werewolf king though. XD Interesting Contrast to his normal self.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:46 pm


Ian doesn't have the strength of will to be the head of the werewolves.
But then again, that could be where Edmund comes in, advising from behind.

The whole shooting Ian but knowing he'd survive could mean something different than triggering the werewolf.
It could have been to intimidate Gaia and it's population, not Edmund and co.
=O


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:02 pm


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Ian doesn't have the strength of will to be the head of the werewolves.
But then again, that could be where Edmund comes in, advising from behind.

The whole shooting Ian but knowing he'd survive could mean something different than triggering the werewolf.
It could have been to intimidate Gaia and it's population, not Edmund and co.
=O


And Louie doesn't have the strength of will to become king of vampires, but that's not stopping him. XD

Anyway, if you turn into a werewolf, I'm pretty sure his will power will increase somewhat. (Iron Will is after all, a free Lycanthrope skill.) Plus a werewolf king isn't usually chosen due to leadership skills, but rather the ability to kick all of the other werewolves asses. XD And if he was a werewolf of prophecy and all that, I don't care how wimpy he is as a human, as a werewolf he could probably kick everyone's a**. XD

It was meant to intimidate Edmund and Co, yes. It's possible the triggering Lycanthropy was unintentional.

If it was intentional, then it was possibly under the belief that Ian had to have been triggered in order for Gambino (and therefore any secrets he may hold) to reappear. Thus being a self fulfilling prophecy. (Think about it, if Ian had not been shot, but rather arrested, or if he had gone free and not been shot, he wouldn't have been able to give Sasha the seashell when he did, and Gino would have never gotten into that fight with him, and Gam-Gino would still be one being.

It's all very confusing really...
But Ian is the most likely candidate to be a werewolf, if not necessarily king.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:21 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:34 pm


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Ian doesn't have the strength of will to be the head of the werewolves.
But then again, that could be where Edmund comes in, advising from behind.

The whole shooting Ian but knowing he'd survive could mean something different than triggering the werewolf.
It could have been to intimidate Gaia and it's population, not Edmund and co.
=O


And Louie doesn't have the strength of will to become king of vampires, but that's not stopping him. XD

Anyway, if you turn into a werewolf, I'm pretty sure his will power will increase somewhat. (Iron Will is after all, a free Lycanthrope skill.) Plus a werewolf king isn't usually chosen due to leadership skills, but rather the ability to kick all of the other werewolves asses. XD And if he was a werewolf of prophecy and all that, I don't care how wimpy he is as a human, as a werewolf he could probably kick everyone's a**. XD

It was meant to intimidate Edmund and Co, yes. It's possible the triggering Lycanthropy was unintentional.

If it was intentional, then it was possibly under the belief that Ian had to have been triggered in order for Gambino (and therefore any secrets he may hold) to reappear. Thus being a self fulfilling prophecy. (Think about it, if Ian had not been shot, but rather arrested, or if he had gone free and not been shot, he wouldn't have been able to give Sasha the seashell when he did, and Gino would have never gotten into that fight with him, and Gam-Gino would still be one being.

It's all very confusing really...
But Ian is the most likely candidate to be a werewolf, if not necessarily king.
Well, even if he would be a kick a** werewolf, he's still a wimpy little human.
If he is a werewolf, the treatments are obviously to stop his transformation, thus cancelling out any bad-a** ability bonuses.
If he 'chooses' never to become a werewolf, he's a crappy head werewolf.
A real king would go all Fenrir Greyback and bite little children and stuff.

And doesn't Iron Will just give you bonuses to all mind affecting spells and fear saving throws?
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It's a +2 bonus to all Will Saving Throws.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:47 pm


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Ian doesn't have the strength of will to be the head of the werewolves.
But then again, that could be where Edmund comes in, advising from behind.

The whole shooting Ian but knowing he'd survive could mean something different than triggering the werewolf.
It could have been to intimidate Gaia and it's population, not Edmund and co.
=O


And Louie doesn't have the strength of will to become king of vampires, but that's not stopping him. XD

Anyway, if you turn into a werewolf, I'm pretty sure his will power will increase somewhat. (Iron Will is after all, a free Lycanthrope skill.) Plus a werewolf king isn't usually chosen due to leadership skills, but rather the ability to kick all of the other werewolves asses. XD And if he was a werewolf of prophecy and all that, I don't care how wimpy he is as a human, as a werewolf he could probably kick everyone's a**. XD

It was meant to intimidate Edmund and Co, yes. It's possible the triggering Lycanthropy was unintentional.

If it was intentional, then it was possibly under the belief that Ian had to have been triggered in order for Gambino (and therefore any secrets he may hold) to reappear. Thus being a self fulfilling prophecy. (Think about it, if Ian had not been shot, but rather arrested, or if he had gone free and not been shot, he wouldn't have been able to give Sasha the seashell when he did, and Gino would have never gotten into that fight with him, and Gam-Gino would still be one being.

It's all very confusing really...
But Ian is the most likely candidate to be a werewolf, if not necessarily king.
Well, even if he would be a kick a** werewolf, he's still a wimpy little human.
If he is a werewolf, the treatments are obviously to stop his transformation, thus cancelling out any bad-a** ability bonuses.
If he 'chooses' never to become a werewolf, he's a crappy head werewolf.
A real king would go all Fenrir Greyback and bite little children and stuff.

And doesn't Iron Will just give you bonuses to all mind affecting spells and fear saving throws?
><

It's a +2 bonus to all Will Saving Throws.



Well... Ian's more of a Remus Lupin than a Fenir Greyback.
And... He'll have more will power anyway then. +2 Bonus and all.

Regardless, the whole point of that interpretation is that Ian, while having Kick-a** Werewolf powers, is still (while a Werewolf) likely to go all Fenrir Greyback and bite people and stuff. How do you think the event starts? Ian going up to a Gaian and saying "Please, may I bite you?" No, he'll leap on them and bite them, and then they'll bite someone else, and so on until they've got a whole Werewolf Army going on.
As such Gambino, Edmund, and possibly Ian himself are frightened by this prospect, and suppress the transformation. It's possible Ian doesn't even know himself. (Hasn't had the opportunity to transform and then take the Wisdom check yet. XD) Gambino and Edmund could be hiding it from him under a false pretense, so he's not even choosing to not become a werewolf at all, the others are.

The whole point of the interpretation is that the Heir (Louie) must kill the Wolf (Ian) before it awakens (transforms for the first time).
The treatments are what's keeping Ian "asleep". If he misses one, he awakens, and the final part of the prophecy is fulfilled.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:07 am


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Ian doesn't have the strength of will to be the head of the werewolves.
But then again, that could be where Edmund comes in, advising from behind.

The whole shooting Ian but knowing he'd survive could mean something different than triggering the werewolf.
It could have been to intimidate Gaia and it's population, not Edmund and co.
=O


And Louie doesn't have the strength of will to become king of vampires, but that's not stopping him. XD

Anyway, if you turn into a werewolf, I'm pretty sure his will power will increase somewhat. (Iron Will is after all, a free Lycanthrope skill.) Plus a werewolf king isn't usually chosen due to leadership skills, but rather the ability to kick all of the other werewolves asses. XD And if he was a werewolf of prophecy and all that, I don't care how wimpy he is as a human, as a werewolf he could probably kick everyone's a**. XD

It was meant to intimidate Edmund and Co, yes. It's possible the triggering Lycanthropy was unintentional.

If it was intentional, then it was possibly under the belief that Ian had to have been triggered in order for Gambino (and therefore any secrets he may hold) to reappear. Thus being a self fulfilling prophecy. (Think about it, if Ian had not been shot, but rather arrested, or if he had gone free and not been shot, he wouldn't have been able to give Sasha the seashell when he did, and Gino would have never gotten into that fight with him, and Gam-Gino would still be one being.

It's all very confusing really...
But Ian is the most likely candidate to be a werewolf, if not necessarily king.
Well, even if he would be a kick a** werewolf, he's still a wimpy little human.
If he is a werewolf, the treatments are obviously to stop his transformation, thus cancelling out any bad-a** ability bonuses.
If he 'chooses' never to become a werewolf, he's a crappy head werewolf.
A real king would go all Fenrir Greyback and bite little children and stuff.

And doesn't Iron Will just give you bonuses to all mind affecting spells and fear saving throws?
><

It's a +2 bonus to all Will Saving Throws.



Well... Ian's more of a Remus Lupin than a Fenir Greyback.
And... He'll have more will power anyway then. +2 Bonus and all.

Regardless, the whole point of that interpretation is that Ian, while having Kick-a** Werewolf powers, is still (while a Werewolf) likely to go all Fenrir Greyback and bite people and stuff. How do you think the event starts? Ian going up to a Gaian and saying "Please, may I bite you?" No, he'll leap on them and bite them, and then they'll bite someone else, and so on until they've got a whole Werewolf Army going on.
As such Gambino, Edmund, and possibly Ian himself are frightened by this prospect, and suppress the transformation. It's possible Ian doesn't even know himself. (Hasn't had the opportunity to transform and then take the Wisdom check yet. XD) Gambino and Edmund could be hiding it from him under a false pretense, so he's not even choosing to not become a werewolf at all, the others are.

The whole point of the interpretation is that the Heir (Louie) must kill the Wolf (Ian) before it awakens (transforms for the first time).
The treatments are what's keeping Ian "asleep". If he misses one, he awakens, and the final part of the prophecy is fulfilled.
I don't think Ian knows that he is a vampire, thus he doesn't really know what the treatments are for.
I think one day he'll stop taking them and he'll transform and bite a very insane person.
He'll then regret and start taking treatments while the insane person goes all Fenrir Greyback.
That's where the army will come from, and Ian will see that the insane one is leading the werewolves selfishly or something, so he'll have to transform and use the army to stand up to the vonpires.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:14 am


i ... can actually see this happening.

But what if LabtechX, who has been partially confirmed as amongst the living, actually has the trigger ... the, if you will, "anti-treatment?"


This could TRULY explain X's actions ... and possibly PROVE that LabtechX is in fact siding with the Von Helsons or is a Von Helson himself!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:20 am


You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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Perhaps. But remember that Lanzer has admitted to playing DnD ... so what's to say he and fellow admins haven't played it?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:39 am


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You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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Actually the Dnd Refrences were jokes. XD
Regardless, if Ian is like, "The Chosen One" or something, then he'd have at least be able to survive the shot. (He was in critical condition you know.)

Anyway, it's possible that X does have the anti-treatment (A Treatment that instead of suppressing the transformation, would cause it to occur instantly, regardless of the current lunar phase, or emotional state of the victim.)

Or it's possible X somehow contracts the curse himself, and he's the one that goes Fenrir Greyback on people.

Another interesting prospect is that if Ian is a werewolf, and is naturally a werewolf, then he wouldn't be able to be cured, since the Curse is part of his very being, and has been since the day he was born. (I don't care how many vials of cure you drink, it won't do squat.)
Therefore, even after the whole series of events is done, Ian will still be a Werewolf. In fact, he possibly could be stuck as a werewolf (Since it takes alot of Coding to have someone switch skins like that. XD). And he'd... still be unable to return to his shop. Damn...XP
However, it could lead to another "The Masque" type thing. Or a plot line where Ian tries to rid himself of the curse.

Regardless, Ian will remain a Werewolf after halloween, and assuming they survive, the Von Helsons will remain Vampires. (They have to survive in some way though. The Battle System shows a picture of their mansion.)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:59 am


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You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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Actually the Dnd Refrences were jokes. XD
Regardless, if Ian is like, "The Chosen One" or something, then he'd have at least be able to survive the shot. (He was in critical condition you know.)

Anyway, it's possible that X does have the anti-treatment (A Treatment that instead of suppressing the transformation, would cause it to occur instantly, regardless of the current lunar phase, or emotional state of the victim.)

Or it's possible X somehow contracts the curse himself, and he's the one that goes Fenrir Greyback on people.

Another interesting prospect is that if Ian is a werewolf, and is naturally a werewolf, then he wouldn't be able to be cured, since the Curse is part of his very being, and has been since the day he was born. (I don't care how many vials of cure you drink, it won't do squat.)
Therefore, even after the whole series of events is done, Ian will still be a Werewolf. In fact, he possibly could be stuck as a werewolf (Since it takes alot of Coding to have someone switch skins like that. XD). And he'd... still be unable to return to his shop. Damn...XP
However, it could lead to another "The Masque" type thing. Or a plot line where Ian tries to rid himself of the curse.

Regardless, Ian will remain a Werewolf after halloween, and assuming they survive, the Von Helsons will remain Vampires. (They have to survive in some way though. The Battle System shows a picture of their mansion.)
Ian will have to stay a werewolf after the plot is over.
I don't know what the story reason will be, but we can't have a jillion werewolves on Gaia with not one NPC werewolf.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:08 pm


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You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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Actually the Dnd Refrences were jokes. XD
Regardless, if Ian is like, "The Chosen One" or something, then he'd have at least be able to survive the shot. (He was in critical condition you know.)

Anyway, it's possible that X does have the anti-treatment (A Treatment that instead of suppressing the transformation, would cause it to occur instantly, regardless of the current lunar phase, or emotional state of the victim.)

Or it's possible X somehow contracts the curse himself, and he's the one that goes Fenrir Greyback on people.

Another interesting prospect is that if Ian is a werewolf, and is naturally a werewolf, then he wouldn't be able to be cured, since the Curse is part of his very being, and has been since the day he was born. (I don't care how many vials of cure you drink, it won't do squat.)
Therefore, even after the whole series of events is done, Ian will still be a Werewolf. In fact, he possibly could be stuck as a werewolf (Since it takes alot of Coding to have someone switch skins like that. XD). And he'd... still be unable to return to his shop. Damn...XP
However, it could lead to another "The Masque" type thing. Or a plot line where Ian tries to rid himself of the curse.

Regardless, Ian will remain a Werewolf after halloween, and assuming they survive, the Von Helsons will remain Vampires. (They have to survive in some way though. The Battle System shows a picture of their mansion.)
Ian will have to stay a werewolf after the plot is over.
I don't know what the story reason will be, but we can't have a jillion werewolves on Gaia with not one NPC werewolf.
D=


I mean, we've got NPC zombies, NPC Vampires, NPC Aliens, Maybe one Grombie, we need an NPC werewolf. 3nodding
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:14 pm


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You're all assuming that they are using the DnD rule set. The could be using oWoD rulset, which would give the brand new rank one Garou some impressive healing.
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Actually the Dnd Refrences were jokes. XD
Regardless, if Ian is like, "The Chosen One" or something, then he'd have at least be able to survive the shot. (He was in critical condition you know.)

Anyway, it's possible that X does have the anti-treatment (A Treatment that instead of suppressing the transformation, would cause it to occur instantly, regardless of the current lunar phase, or emotional state of the victim.)

Or it's possible X somehow contracts the curse himself, and he's the one that goes Fenrir Greyback on people.

Another interesting prospect is that if Ian is a werewolf, and is naturally a werewolf, then he wouldn't be able to be cured, since the Curse is part of his very being, and has been since the day he was born. (I don't care how many vials of cure you drink, it won't do squat.)
Therefore, even after the whole series of events is done, Ian will still be a Werewolf. In fact, he possibly could be stuck as a werewolf (Since it takes alot of Coding to have someone switch skins like that. XD). And he'd... still be unable to return to his shop. Damn...XP
However, it could lead to another "The Masque" type thing. Or a plot line where Ian tries to rid himself of the curse.

Regardless, Ian will remain a Werewolf after halloween, and assuming they survive, the Von Helsons will remain Vampires. (They have to survive in some way though. The Battle System shows a picture of their mansion.)
Ian will have to stay a werewolf after the plot is over.
I don't know what the story reason will be, but we can't have a jillion werewolves on Gaia with not one NPC werewolf.
D=


I mean, we've got NPC zombies, NPC Vampires, NPC Aliens, Maybe one Grombie, we need an NPC werewolf. 3nodding
Of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:48 pm


Ian is too squirrelly to be a werewolf king. He just doesn't strike me as the type lol.

Though I do agree, that Gaia is going down the path of a Vamp vs Were war...

I was hoping for something more original, but it'll do.
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