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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:31 pm
It's an absolute monster, and I love every aspect of it, but I have to disspell a myth.
The myth following this car is that it handles like a tank, that it cannot hang with the Porsche's and Corvettes. This is simply not the case. The car has shown to pull over 1g on the skidpad and has shown it's ability to handle itself against the rest of the world, after winning The Le Man GT2 class 6 years running, the first American car since the Ford GT40.
The problem is what many people mistake a bad handling car for "a drivers car". What mean by this is that it has no traction control and stability control, which means that if you make a mistake, the car won't cover your a**.
An example of this is the Shelby Cobra 427 S/C and TVR Cerbera Speed 12. Both cars have an insane amount of power and no aids, and thus the result is the same.
It may not be the best sports car in the world, but it can hang with a Chevrolet Corvette, A Ford GT, A Porsche 911 Turbo, and other high end sports cars, and if driven by a good enough driver, best them.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:20 pm
HA the myth is buuuuuulllshit, I've been in a stock AND a tuned one, cornering is a beast my friend was drivin,and daaaaam when he turned, my kidneys attacked each other the tuned was a 2004 it has a bodykit and supercharger. the stock was a 98. that is a NASTAY car!, i love it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:09 am
I've never heard of this "myth".
I've heard that the car can be difficult to drive slowly because of the amount of power it has. I've read many stories of unexpected burnouts.
I've also heard from reliable sources (Like Car and Driver magazine) that while the car can pull amazingly fast lap times, it can be difficult to do this for the same reason mentioned before, the amount of power on tap can easily lead to unexpected oversteer.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:56 pm
it seems a lot of power in an RWD car can cause oversteer easliy. thats why i chose a FF. my Corolla causes unexpected burnouts too =_=, it does it so much its embarrassing
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:37 am
Ryu_Kaze it seems a lot of power in an RWD car can cause oversteer easliy. thats why i chose a FF. my Corolla causes unexpected burnouts too =_=, it does it so much its embarrassing You have no idea how easy it is to oversteer in a RWD car... a great example is my car... '66 Mustang, rwd, and it's only about a 220-230hp 289 in it... and I can end up having that thing do everything from almost pitching into the corner to much to having my back end sliding out, which is a great pass-time. I've had to drive my brother's Focus a couple of times and it's a different world driving that car. It doesn't accelerate nearly as well, but, I give it points for cornering. For a stock chassis it can corner a lot better than my car. When I take a turn fast I can always feel my back end getting a little loose. That's the fun of RWD cars with no aids though, isn't it?
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:57 pm
Mallorys Wedgie Friend Ryu_Kaze it seems a lot of power in an RWD car can cause oversteer easliy. thats why i chose a FF. my Corolla causes unexpected burnouts too =_=, it does it so much its embarrassing You have no idea how easy it is to oversteer in a RWD car... a great example is my car... '66 Mustang, rwd, and it's only about a 220-230hp 289 in it... and I can end up having that thing do everything from almost pitching into the corner to much to having my back end sliding out, which is a great pass-time. I've had to drive my brother's Focus a couple of times and it's a different world driving that car. It doesn't accelerate nearly as well, but, I give it points for cornering. For a stock chassis it can corner a lot better than my car. When I take a turn fast I can always feel my back end getting a little loose. That's the fun of RWD cars with no aids though, isn't it? maybe its the engine being in the front and it being rear wheel drive, since the weight is in the front i guess the rear wheels burnout. FF cars like my corolla take off as soon as i floor it, but i have a 1/5 chance of a burnout =_=
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:53 pm
Ryu_Kaze Mallorys Wedgie Friend Ryu_Kaze it seems a lot of power in an RWD car can cause oversteer easliy. thats why i chose a FF. my Corolla causes unexpected burnouts too =_=, it does it so much its embarrassing You have no idea how easy it is to oversteer in a RWD car... a great example is my car... '66 Mustang, rwd, and it's only about a 220-230hp 289 in it... and I can end up having that thing do everything from almost pitching into the corner to much to having my back end sliding out, which is a great pass-time. I've had to drive my brother's Focus a couple of times and it's a different world driving that car. It doesn't accelerate nearly as well, but, I give it points for cornering. For a stock chassis it can corner a lot better than my car. When I take a turn fast I can always feel my back end getting a little loose. That's the fun of RWD cars with no aids though, isn't it? maybe its the engine being in the front and it being rear wheel drive, since the weight is in the front i guess the rear wheels burnout. FF cars like my corolla take off as soon as i floor it, but i have a 1/5 chance of a burnout =_= Well it depends. A RWD car will hook up better because of weight transfer, but if you just drop the clutchin a very powerful RWD, it will just spin. Your corrolla hooks up well because it isn't that powerful. A 300 hp FWD has a very hard time hooking up the tires.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:22 pm
Hell i dont care what people say about the viper but i love them and my mom sells them
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:29 am
Ryu_Kaze Mallorys Wedgie Friend Ryu_Kaze it seems a lot of power in an RWD car can cause oversteer easliy. thats why i chose a FF. my Corolla causes unexpected burnouts too =_=, it does it so much its embarrassing You have no idea how easy it is to oversteer in a RWD car... a great example is my car... '66 Mustang, rwd, and it's only about a 220-230hp 289 in it... and I can end up having that thing do everything from almost pitching into the corner to much to having my back end sliding out, which is a great pass-time. I've had to drive my brother's Focus a couple of times and it's a different world driving that car. It doesn't accelerate nearly as well, but, I give it points for cornering. For a stock chassis it can corner a lot better than my car. When I take a turn fast I can always feel my back end getting a little loose. That's the fun of RWD cars with no aids though, isn't it? maybe its the engine being in the front and it being rear wheel drive, since the weight is in the front i guess the rear wheels burnout. FF cars like my corolla take off as soon as i floor it, but i have a 1/5 chance of a burnout =_= I would imagine it's because you don't have a whole lot of weight on the rear tires. There's nothing to keep them planted to the road. I can tell you this with no doubt on that as I've put my mustang into a spin before (inentionally, in a parking lot) and the back end can hop a bit. We're not talking like it's coming off the ground completely, but, it does touch traction and then lose it, then touch again... that's only in a hard turn with tires that are getting low on tread though. I recently put new tires on it and it'll hold the ground well now when I put it in a spin. My car takes of pretty fast, too, the V8 has incredible response and will keep up with larger V8s for a shortwhile.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:09 am
Good weight distribution can handle most of that problem.
I would guess that in your case the problem is more likely the fact that you're running a really old car with a solid rear axle.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:34 pm
has anyone heard about the venom viper? it claims 1100 bhp... check it out its insane
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:08 pm
gman15975 It's an absolute monster, and I love every aspect of it, but I have to disspell a myth. The myth following this car is that it handles like a tank, that it cannot hang with the Porsche's and Corvettes. This is simply not the case. The car has shown to pull over 1g on the skidpad and has shown it's ability to handle itself against the rest of the world, after winning The Le Man GT2 class 6 years running, the first American car since the Ford GT40. The problem is what many people mistake a bad handling car for "a drivers car". What mean by this is that it has no traction control and stability control, which means that if you make a mistake, the car won't cover your a**. An example of this is the Shelby Cobra 427 S/C and TVR Cerbera Speed 12. Both cars have an insane amount of power and no aids, and thus the result is the same. It may not be the best sports car in the world, but it can hang with a Chevrolet Corvette, A Ford GT, A Porsche 911 Turbo, and other high end sports cars, and if driven by a good enough driver, best them. Dude, do your homework, that le mans was won by Porshe
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:14 pm
Saint Gabe gman15975 It's an absolute monster, and I love every aspect of it, but I have to disspell a myth. The myth following this car is that it handles like a tank, that it cannot hang with the Porsche's and Corvettes. This is simply not the case. The car has shown to pull over 1g on the skidpad and has shown it's ability to handle itself against the rest of the world, after winning The Le Man GT2 class 6 years running, the first American car since the Ford GT40. The problem is what many people mistake a bad handling car for "a drivers car". What mean by this is that it has no traction control and stability control, which means that if you make a mistake, the car won't cover your a**. An example of this is the Shelby Cobra 427 S/C and TVR Cerbera Speed 12. Both cars have an insane amount of power and no aids, and thus the result is the same. It may not be the best sports car in the world, but it can hang with a Chevrolet Corvette, A Ford GT, A Porsche 911 Turbo, and other high end sports cars, and if driven by a good enough driver, best them. Dude, do your homework, that le mans was won by Porshe * 24 Hours of Le Mans - 1998, 1999, 2000 * 24 Hours Nürburgring - 1999, 2001, 2002 * Rolex 24 at Daytona - 2000 * 12 Hours of Sebring - 2000 * Petit Le Mans - 1999 * 1000km Fuji - 2001 * Mil Milhas Brasileires - 2004 So I miss red the article and they only one 3 times, but they still won in the GT2 catagory. Webpage Title
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:47 pm
gman15975 It may not be the best sports car in the world, but it can hang with a Chevrolet Corvette, A Ford GT, A Porsche 911 Turbo, and other high end sports cars, and if driven by a good enough driver, best them. ... but it needs four extra cylinders to keep up with a little flat-6 turbo engine? Can't Dodge come out with a smaller-engine Viper and still best the others? (hint-hint: they still haven't yet, if that tells you anything) I'm not too fond of the Viper, myself. The only reason why it came into existence is because whiny American muscle bitches didn't want the Stealth (despite the Mitsubishi engine) to be a pace car for Indy... and I happen to like the Stealth.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:18 pm
Jan Koetsier The only reason why it came into existence is because whiny American muscle bitches didn't want the Stealth (despite the Mitsubishi engine) to be a pace car for Indy... and I happen to like the Stealth. Yeah that's right. Cars totally don't take over 5 years to develop. Car companies just pull them out of their a** when people complain.
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