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BARF!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

http://www.quiverfull.com/

When I saw the front page for the quiverfull.com website, I couldn't help but be reminded at how the "baby worship" that people do actually patronizes babies, not treat them like actual people with complex souls or personalities inside.

Love 'teh bebey when it's 1 years old, but ignore it once it hits kindergarten, when there's two other smaller children to tend to. It's in line with America and its disposable capitalist culture.

Humans having baby after baby to conveniently swipe aside any deep insecurity or worry inside of them. Instead of the energy of using the mind's deepest abilities to think, we fret over wiping butts and soothing piercing screamy sounds and making sure that tiny fingers don't poke themselves in various electrical outlets.

Babies are also used as tools of oppression by men against women.

The more people there are, the more expendable entire humanity becomes.

Share some thoughts, especially good ones that analyze academically, or psychologically analyze this "phenomenon". You can also talk about the "dugger" family, who has just recently had 17 kids.

By the way, when those Dugger parents pass on and a handful of those kids become independent adults, they will have no framework for their small, little caged up world. They might be scared for a little while, because it is such a big world out there. But they will be more than ready, I bet, to assimilate into the rest of society and spend the rest of their lives truly trying to "find" themselves in what they grew up in a sea of "lost in a big family who only allowed a limited form of self expression". Instead of seeing their parents as heroes, they might use their experience to speak out against this stupidity.

The Dugger lady depends solely on the "buddy system" to raise her kids, if you've ever seen that show, you'll see that she hardly puts an effort into raising her kids, instead she relies on the older siblings to take care of the younger siblings.

Indeed.

How can they afford so many children? There's enough poverty in the world without squeezing more people into it >_>

Natalism makes sense for places that have a failing birth right and rising mortality.. they need a population and need one NOW.

I believe Russia is actively engaged in Natalism. It isn't forced but they provide excellent incentives to women who choose to mother many children, from free cars to tax breaks to free medical care and money.

Natalism in the USA though? For one thing, it's not needed, and second, there are no incentives given to us by our Government to have children.

Natalism is socially pushed but not backed up by anything tangible or even able to sway a mother's decision.. it's kind of sad. I personally think it has no use being legislated into our system.

Should someone choose to follow it, good for them-- but our Government should in no way enforce or push it.

Which is completely unfair to ALL the kids! What I don't get is how this is "traditional." In the 50's, it was "traditional" for a woman to do what I do --- cook and clean all day until her husband gets home. WTF happened in 50 years that made this kind of crap "traditional"?

And with the whole going back to the Bible bullshit they like to pull -- freakin New Testament virtually NEGATES the Old Testament, and the OT is where most of their little ideas are coming from.

Not to mention it's DANGEROUS to have so many freaking pregnancies carried to term.

Wow

eek

I've thumbed through some of those books and even a class I took on child development through the local community college said that the Ezzo Method is gaining popularity but is incredibly dangerous and harmful to your child.

It went against everything that I'd ever heard from doctor's and it was just so.. mean. It insulted every little thing that even QUESTIONED or THOUGHT to be different from what's described in the books, and made everything into Ezzo Method = good children, Other methods = bad children.

I can't even begin to comprehend why a parent would be so manipulated by those books to believe that their children are manipulative and evil and need to be controlled, over them needing to be loved and nurtured. Most of the things described are far from age appropriate and down right cruel to the babies.

Natalism does NOT make sense in a world that is heavily overpopulated even if there's a country or two where the population is shrinking. Of course a nation will want their birthrates to be high, and their people to be many, but do they really give a crap about the environmental consequences of those actions, muchless the quality of lives of their citizenry?

Nations are like businesses.

In the Case of the U.S., I think the government likes for poverty-stricken single moms in ignorance and desperation to pop out poverty children, so they can push subsidized animal cruelty food (welfare milk, cheese, and daily school lunches that include meat and milk) that makes people mentally slower and lethargic, and churn out these kids as a source of military cannon fodder, or cheap capitalist labor once they hit 18. The public school system, in the meantime, can do it's job in lowering self esteems, competency, and passion so that they are drones, ripe for the manipulating. A diet of animal products (meat, dairy, etc) ensures that many of these people will die before they pull out significant social security sums but in the meantime, still pay their taxes.

It's a nasty cycle because men are socialized to not stick around with women who have kids and to not relate to kids at all, yet there's a push against abortion and birth control so women who *dare* have sex or relate to men can more easily slip into the "poverty with children" social disease. Men use babies as tools of oppression against women.

Btw, I would be kind to wish that the Duggar woman died. It would spare her life of anymore human incubating.