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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:14 pm


From Buddha Net
Buddhism has been described as a very pragmatic religion. It does not indulge in metaphysical speculation about first causes; there is no theology, no worship of a deity or deification of the Buddha.


I understand the whole idea why some people have statues of Buddha; just the same reason why Christians would have a painting of Jesus.
What Im trying to understand is the whole prayer concept. There are no gods/goddesses, so why is prayer taught if their is no one to pray to?
Second question: Why does it seem that the Buddhas and other Boddhivistas (spelling?) are imortalized.

Thanks fer taking the time read my probing questions xp
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:48 pm


Some of the sects have different beliefs about matters.

The more materialist ones believe you will cease to exist whatsoever when you become enlightened, and some of the dualistic ones believe you will become one with the universal conciousness (like Brahma in hinduism. I particularly favour this one - I cannot really believe materialism to be correct)

The prayer thing can be praying to the conciousness generally.

For both questions: for example, some Tibetan Buddhism has rituals to invoke the spirits of past Buddhas and bodhivistas.

Zoutout


Harry Parachute

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:55 pm


In the case of prayer towards objects, the objects serve only as symbols for an otherwise elusive concept. They're a medium between yourself and the ideal. They're not necessary, but very helpful.

In the same way it's more expedient to use a telephone to call someone across the country instead of walking to him, it's easier to use prayer towards a cross or a giant stone Buddha.

When you stop viewing the object as a symbol and a holy thing worth showing devotion to you've entered into idolatry, which isn't good from any of great religions' standpoints.

This is why in Tibetan Buddhism, the most symbol-friendly of all sects of Buddhism, there are rules and procedures for both the creation and the destruction of mandalas.

Same principles apply to other forms of prayer, hence the "yana" in Mahayana, Hinayana, Vajrayana meaning "vehicle". A raft is useful for getting from one riverbank to another. Once there, you don't carry the raft on your back.

As to your second question: It's important to view their perceived immortalization not in literal terms. If we take into consideration Einstein's claim regarding energy neither being created nor destroyed, it's more like a source of energy that doesn't die out but only changes form.

The primary characteristic of a Bodhisattva is that, with any situation and with every action, he generates Bodhicitta (that which created a Buddha-mind in others) in those around him or her. Forgive the analogy but...like being around pot-heads gives you a contact high, just being in the proximity of a Bodhisattva is good karma.

In other words, it's just another way to look at serendipitous meetings with strangers, good impulses, good fortune or...well...whatever you fancy. Some people choose to believe in guardian angels, and some in active, watchful Bodhisattvas.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:19 pm


Even though the religion of Buddhism has no "god" in it, I still pray because in a way I hope someone out there hears my prayers. I am Mahayana and like to think we have guardian spirits, those who hear our prayers and help us. Though originally I came from a Catholic family. Maybe prayer has just become a habit of mine.

Kenzii


Tenzin Chodron
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:54 pm


We also pray to re-enforce our intentions to become fully enlightened Buddhas so that we can be of the greatest possible benefit to others.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:30 pm


I bow to the Buddha and the Buddha within.

McLeod Ganj


ymryson

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:11 am


One of the aspects of prayer is your intention and how you shape it, the frame of mind you're in when you're praying. This can affect our outlook, to start with. If I sit and pray/think about you in loving kindness, I'm stepping outside the confines of my own self-preoccupation and thinking about someone else, thinking about you being healthy and happy and well in all ways. This is bound to affect my outlook and with any luck I might be a nicer person to be around for the next hour or so. Changes like that happen.

There have been recent studies where subjects were prayed for and they had no idea they were being prayed for, and they healed faster than a control group. This has gotten some folks wondering about the power of intention.

If any of you know any pagans, they might tell you more about the power of intention. Two of my prayer buddies are witches, and they have told me several things about the importance of intention when setting up a spell (which, from what I can tell, is sorta like a prayer with props -- any pagans out there who feel this is incorrect, please forgive me, I am ignorant of many things).

Since "loving your neighbor" and loving others is emphasized in several religions, taking some time out to focus your mind on the well-being of others, which might remind you of why you like them in the first place and other pleasant thoughts, is a form of "loving your neighbor."

These seem like reasonably good reasons to pray. It can't hurt to concentrate on a friend and think about how much you like that person, how glad you are you know that person, how you hope that person's health or life situation improves or whatever.

I like the way prayer kind of takes me out of *me* and makes me feel more connected with other people. I think that is good for me.
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:10 pm


I found this to be particularly helpful:

What is the role of prayer? Can prayers be answered?

There are many kinds of prayers. Some are designed to direct our minds toward a certain spiritual quality or aim, inspiring our mind to work to develop it and thus creating the cause for us to attain this. An example is praying to be more
tolerant and compassionate toward others. Other prayers are for specific people or situations, for example praying for a person's illness to be cured or for that person's mind to be peaceful and his life meaningful in spite of the illness.

For any prayer to be fulfilled, prayer alone isn't sufficient. The appropriate causes must also be created. We can't simply think, "Please, Buddha, make this and that happen. I'll relax and have tea while you do the work!" For example, if we pray to be more loving and compassionate and yet make no effort to control our anger, we aren't creating the cause for that prayer to be fulfilled. The transformation of our minds comes from our own effort, but we can pray for the Buddhas' inspiration to do so.

Receiving the blessings of the Buddhas doesn't mean that something tangible comes from the Buddha and goes into us. It means that our minds are transformed through the combined effort of the teachings, the guidance of the
Buddhas and bodhisattvas, and our own practice. "Requesting the Buddhas'blessings" has the connotation of requesting to be inspired by them so that our minds and actions are transformed and become more beneficial.



Some Buddhist practitioners seek to be born in a pure land in their next life because all the conditions there are conducive for Dharma practice and developing wisdom and compassion are comparatively easy. But we cannot pray to be born in a pure land and expect the Buddhas and bodhisattvas to
make it happen! We must also make effort to actualize the teachings by not selfishly clinging to worldly pleasures and by generating compassion and an understanding of emptiness. If we do our part, then praying will have a profound effect on our minds. On the other hand, if we make no attempt to
correct our harmful habits and if our minds are distracted while we pray, the effect is minimal.

Some people pray for another's sickness to be cured, for the family finances to improve, or for a deceased relative to have a good rebirth. For these things to occur, the other people involved must have created the necessary causes. If they have, our prayers provide the condition for the seed of constructive actions they did in the past to ripen into that result. However, if they haven't created the causal seeds through their own positive past actions, it's difficult for
our prayers to be fulfilled. We can put fertilizer and water on the ground, but if the farmer hasn't planted the seed, nothing will grow.

When the Buddha described the working of cause and effect in our mindstreams, he said that killing causes us to have short lives or much illness. Abandoning killing and saving the lives of others causes us to have a long life, free from illness. If we neglect to follow this basic advice and yet pray for a long
and healthy life, we have missed the point! On the other hand, if we abandon killing and save lives, prayers can help those positive seeds to ripen.

In addition, the Buddha said generosity is the cause of wealth. If we have been generous in a past life and now pray for our wealth to increase, our finances could improve. Yet, if we are miserly now, we are creating the cause for poverty,
not wealth, in the future. In this case, no matter how much we pray to be financially comfortable, our actions are creating the cause for the opposite result. Instead we need to cultivate generosity helping those in need and sharing what we have.

http://www.thubtenchodron.org/FAQ/faq.html

Tenzin Chodron
Crew

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