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Trite~Elegy

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:19 pm


It's knowledge about abortion. razz

This on going struggle we face in the name of keeping abortion legal might seem like it has been going on for centuries, but in fact, it is right now when 'abortion' has taken the nation by storm.

It's in our families, it's in our schools, it's in our govt, it's in our pop culture.

In the past 4 days I have read two recently printed (within the last year) books in which abortion was an issue (if small) in the stories.

The first one is by the author Patricia Briggs; Blood bound.
This is a paranormal/fantasy type book.


Quote:
"I violated your trust, and my father's too. I couldn't live with it: I had to leave. I traveled to the far corner of the country and became someone else: Samuel Cornick, college freshmen, fresh off the farm with a newly minted high school diploma. Only on the night of the full moon did I allow myself to remember what I was."
The muscles under my hands convulsed trice. "In med school, I met a girl. She reminded me of you: quiet with a sneaky sense of humor. She looked a little like you, too. it felt like a second chance to me-- a chance to do it right. Or maybe I just forgot. We were friends at first, in the same programs at school. Then it became something more. We moved in together."
I knew what was coming, because it was the worst thing I could think of that could happened to Samuel. I could smell his tears. though his voice was carefully even.
"We took precautions, but we weren't careful enough. She got pregnant." His voice was stark. "We were doing internships. We were so busy we hardly had time to say 'hello' to each other. She didn't notice until she was nearly three months pregnant because she assumed that the symptoms were from stress. I was so happy."
Samuel loved children. Somewhere I had a picture of hims wearing a baseball cap with Elise Smithers, age five, riding him as if he had been a pony. He'd thrown away everything he believed in because he though I, unlike a human or werewolf, could give him children who would live.
I tried not to let him know I was crying, too.
"We were doing internships," He was speaking quietly now.
"It's time consuming and stressful. Long irregular hours. I was working with an orthopedic surgeon, nearly a two hour drive from our apartment. I came home one night and found a note."
I hugged him harder, as if I could have stopped what had happened.
"A baby would have interfered with her schooling," he said. "We could try again, later. After... after she was established. After there was money. After..." He kept talking but he'd dropped into a foreign tongue, its liquid tone conveying his anguish better than the english words had.
The cure of a long life is that everyone around you dies.
You had to be strong to survive, and stronger to want to do so. Bran had told me once that Samuel had seen too many of his children die.
"That infant tonight...."
"He'll live," I said. "because of you. He'll grown up strong and healthy.
"I lived like a student should, Mercy," he told me. "Pretending to be poor like all the other students. I wonder if she knew I had the money, would she still have killed my baby? I would have quit school to take care of the child. Was it my fault?"
Samuel circled his whole body around my arms as if someone had punches him in the stomach. I just held him.
There was nothing I could say to make it better. He knew better than I what the chances of his baby being born healthy had been. It didn't matter, his child never gotten any chance at all.
I held samuel while the sun set, comforting him as best I could.


[WARNING story spoiler:] In this story, the main character, Mercy, is a 'skinwalker'. In other words, she can take the shape of a coyote, though she is not phased by the moon like a werewolf.
Her father, who was the one to pass on the skinwalker genes died before she was born, and when her mother found a coyote pup in her crib, she gave her to a werewolf pack. The werewolf pack ended up being the 'Marrok's' pack, and the alpha of alpha's, Bran. Raised her.
Samuel is Bran's son.
Werewolves in this book are created by being attacked and nearly surviving. But once you are a werewolf, you stop aging and live for centuries. Samuel is already centuries old, and has had many wives and children, all whom have grown old and died while he lived on, or have attempted to become werewolves themselves only to die in the process.
He had ideas that Mercy, being different might be able to give him children that would live through the process of becoming a werewolf, so he seduces the then 16 year old Mercy, into thinking that he is head over heels in love with her. When she finally realizes what he is doing (bran tells her) she leaves the pack to live on her own. When she leaves, so does Samuel, and in those paragraphs we learn what he has done in the 16 years he was gone from his pack. At the end, when it says "the infant.."
Samuel is still working as a doctor, something rare around werewolves since they tend to want to eat/attack anything that smells of fear, pain, or blood. At the time he was in the ER and an infant came in that he saved that made all these bad memories come to the surface.

Okay that's enough of me spoiling the book. go read it yourself.


Now that I've given up my secret of having a penchant for werewolf books, and now you all think I'm a freak of nature talk2hand
Discuss/interpret the reading material I've given you at hand and tell of how you've noticed abortion in everyday life.

I'll post the second book's abortion episode later. because I'm too lazy to do it now.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:19 pm


He's upset because some woman he knocked up had an abortion. Boo Hoo. It is sad that he is so sad he couldn't have a child... but it just as sickening to think he expects women to be brood mares for him, bearing him children... that he somehow has had some great evil done to him because he could not control someone else's body. The whole act of trying to sympathize this sentiment does not work on me - ultimately it is a male character that thinks his female love interest belongs to him so much so he can turn her into a breeding cow for him. rolleyes

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:21 pm


Trite~Elegy
]Now that I've given up my secret of having a penchant for werewolf books, and now you all think I'm a freak of nature talk2hand


I don't think your a freak. biggrin My favorite book of all time is blood and chocolate, and I absolutely love van helsing (not just because hugh jackman is in it.)..
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:56 pm


water_elemental
Trite~Elegy
]Now that I've given up my secret of having a penchant for werewolf books, and now you all think I'm a freak of nature talk2hand


I don't think your a freak. biggrin My favorite book of all time is blood and chocolate, and I absolutely love van helsing (not just because hugh jackman is in it.)..


I did like Blood and Chocolate, but I was upset that it was such a short book and that it was not a series.
I mean, books as long as the Harry potter's don't phase me.
Heck, I wish every book was at least a 1000 pages long and had multiple books to the series.

I also like the authors Kelley Armstrong, Laurell K Hamilton's Anita Blake series, Rebecca York, Lori Handleland, Patricia Briggs (of course), Ameila Atwater Rhodes, Stephinie Meyer, Susan Sizemore, Christine Warren,
....and a few dozen others sweatdrop
Sorry, got carried away there.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:05 pm


It's sad but, it wasn't his decision nor was she wrong to make it.

It would be selfish for him to put his desires over the wellbeing of a child and the happiness/sanity of the mother.

Basically, it's trying to evoke an emotional response of "OMG THEY KILLED TEH BABY" when in actuality, I just sort of feel unease at his emotional reaction-- he cared more about the potential baby than the woman. That kind of disgusts me.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:17 pm


Talon-chan
He's upset because some woman he knocked up had an abortion. Boo Hoo. It is sad that he is so sad he couldn't have a child... but it just as sickening to think he expects women to be brood mares for him, bearing him children... that he somehow has had some great evil done to him because he could not control someone else's body. The whole act of trying to sympathize this sentiment does not work on me - ultimately it is a male character that thinks his female love interest belongs to him so much so he can turn her into a breeding cow for him. rolleyes


That is why the main character 'Mercy' tries her best to keep herself out of his grip.
This is the second book, the first book is Moon Called.
Mercy deals with dominating males who essentially try to control her.

You know, this is a lot harder to describe for some reason.
Just read the two books. xd

Anyways.
Other then the piece at hand, what do you think the entering of abortion as a significant part in the plot of the book has to say about abortion in the larger perspective?

I wouldn't go as far to say that the author is trying to make a pro life statement, that would be like saying j.k. rowling is trying to make little kids practice witch craft and worship the devil~
In fact I really just think the seen was put in to help along with the character's samuel, deterioration.(mental)

Trite~Elegy


Trite~Elegy

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:29 pm


I'm going to throw this in:

Like I said, I don't think the author was trying to make a pro life statement, more of taking artistic liberty to make the story flow in the right direction.

My next question is;
Why has it become acceptable to disregard the pregnant female in question in pop culture?
You hardly ever hear it from her lips, it's either 'about her', or through someone else, like this case in the book, about their emotions from what she has done.

It's no longer just 'her'.
It's about everyone else.
Really, it is like some gag order has been placed on all pregnant women.
Why is this, and why have we allowed it for so long to slip under the radar?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:18 am


Lady Adriata
It's sad but, it wasn't his decision nor was she wrong to make it.

It would be selfish for him to put his desires over the wellbeing of a child and the happiness/sanity of the mother.

Basically, it's trying to evoke an emotional response of "OMG THEY KILLED TEH BABY" when in actuality, I just sort of feel unease at his emotional reaction-- he cared more about the potential baby than the woman. That kind of disgusts me.
Agreed. How can any woman actually sympathize with a man who, claiming to be in love with this woman, cares so little about her?


Trite~Elegy
I'm going to throw this in:

Like I said, I don't think the author was trying to make a pro life statement, more of taking artistic liberty to make the story flow in the right direction.

My next question is;
Why has it become acceptable to disregard the pregnant female in question in pop culture?
You hardly ever hear it from her lips, it's either 'about her', or through someone else, like this case in the book, about their emotions from what she has done.

It's no longer just 'her'.
It's about everyone else.
Really, it is like some gag order has been placed on all pregnant women.
Why is this, and why have we allowed it for so long to slip under the radar?
It is an indicator of our sexist society. Women aren't really people, they are seen and not heard, they have no opinions, and everything about them is decided by their male guardian. Our society still clings to these old archane beliefs in many ways (even though they try not to say it out loud since it is now taboo to think women are incapable).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:02 pm


water_elemental
Trite~Elegy
]Now that I've given up my secret of having a penchant for werewolf books, and now you all think I'm a freak of nature talk2hand


I don't think your a freak. biggrin My favorite book of all time is blood and chocolate, and I absolutely love van helsing (not just because hugh jackman is in it.)..
We have the same taste in books. xd
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:19 am


Trite~Elegy
water_elemental
Trite~Elegy
]Now that I've given up my secret of having a penchant for werewolf books, and now you all think I'm a freak of nature talk2hand


I don't think your a freak. biggrin My favorite book of all time is blood and chocolate, and I absolutely love van helsing (not just because hugh jackman is in it.)..


I did like Blood and Chocolate, but I was upset that it was such a short book and that it was not a series.
I mean, books as long as the Harry potter's don't phase me.
Heck, I wish every book was at least a 1000 pages long and had multiple books to the series.

I also like the authors Kelley Armstrong, Laurell K Hamilton's Anita Blake series, Rebecca York, Lori Handleland, Patricia Briggs (of course), Ameila Atwater Rhodes, Stephinie Meyer, Susan Sizemore, Christine Warren,
....and a few dozen others sweatdrop
Sorry, got carried away there.


I heart BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE!!!!! AND STEPHANIE MEYER KICKS a**!!! sorry, i know that was off topic... sweatdrop

Lady-of-Slaughter


S. Shark

PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:10 pm


You are not alone in your werewolf book love. All though it seems I am alone in my not-love for Blood and Chocolate... ninja

Samuel sounds kinda like a d**k. I mean, okay, he wants to have a kid and he's sad because so many of his kids die. Fair enough. But he's rich and immortal. He can have children pretty much whenever and go to school whenever. The pregnant woman? Yeah, probably couldn't, and had no way of knowing he had the resources to do so. If she had a kid then, it very well could've been the end of her schooling. It'd of been all about the child from then on. Dead end.

I guess what bothers me most is that he just doesn't show much sympathy for the mortal woman he claims to've loved. sad
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:38 am


Talon-chan
Lady Adriata
It's sad but, it wasn't his decision nor was she wrong to make it.

It would be selfish for him to put his desires over the wellbeing of a child and the happiness/sanity of the mother.

Basically, it's trying to evoke an emotional response of "OMG THEY KILLED TEH BABY" when in actuality, I just sort of feel unease at his emotional reaction-- he cared more about the potential baby than the woman. That kind of disgusts me.
Agreed. How can any woman actually sympathize with a man who, claiming to be in love with this woman, cares so little about her?


Trite~Elegy
I'm going to throw this in:

Like I said, I don't think the author was trying to make a pro life statement, more of taking artistic liberty to make the story flow in the right direction.

My next question is;
Why has it become acceptable to disregard the pregnant female in question in pop culture?
You hardly ever hear it from her lips, it's either 'about her', or through someone else, like this case in the book, about their emotions from what she has done.

It's no longer just 'her'.
It's about everyone else.
Really, it is like some gag order has been placed on all pregnant women.
Why is this, and why have we allowed it for so long to slip under the radar?
It is an indicator of our sexist society. Women aren't really people, they are seen and not heard, they have no opinions, and everything about them is decided by their male guardian. Our society still clings to these old archane beliefs in many ways (even though they try not to say it out loud since it is now taboo to think women are incapable).


Well said. And sadly, incredibly true when it comes to our society which everyone believes to be so modern. This is the reason why laws are being passed where a woman has to discuss abortion with her husband (or father in the case of young women/teenagers). This is the reason why "modern society" saddens me. The feminist movement did wonders for our rights, but in the end, we're still falling under the same stigma that we were under decades ago when it comes to our bodies.

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