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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:37 pm
I've been, um, thinking a lot about something lately, something in particular.
I really don't know how to even say it. I'll try, though. Okay. So, just four years ago, I used to be a closed-minded ignorant homophobe, right? I was twelve, leave me alone. A misguided pre-teen. o_o I remember, back then, when I was still homophobic, I was with my two best friends, and I remember we were just screwing around, but I was suddenly like, "Oh, my God... Am I bisexual?" And so I was freaking out, because the three of us were all kind of, well, the way we aren't now, and yeh. One of my friends said, "It's okay, as long as you still like guys at all." Funny thing is, she's now a lesbian (or bi, not sure). And the other friend is now the way I am, anti-homophobic and she questions her sexuality sometimes, but doesn't turn it into a big deal the way I do. So, I guess that was the first time I questioned myself. Then, I'm not going to go through specifics, but we realized that homophobia was pretty damn gay, if I may say so. My lesbian/bi friend came out to us, first telling us that she was bi (later lesbian), and I was like, "Hey, that's really cool." But I was back under the impression that I'm straight.
But for the past two and a half years, I've been having more doubts. When I was in seventh grade, I was talking to the only male friend I had, and I think I mentioned something about an attractive girl or something, and he was like, "...Are you lesbian?" I told him I wasn't, and he said decisively, "Okay, yeah, you're bi." I didn't say anything, just let him believe that. I mean, it couldn't be too far off from the truth, right? In all honesty, I'm attracted to girls, but... I don't know how attracted I am to girls. I mean... Usually, I'm attracted to girls in a guy way. Like, I'm not saying that I feel that lesbian love is obsolete, but when I think about being with a girl... This feels really weird to finally be saying so clear, but... I don't know, it's like, I'm in the mind of a guy. Does that even make sense? Like, I've looked at girls that make me think, "Wow, I wish I was a guy..." I'm still attracted to guys... Um... Okay, keep up, this is gonna be weird, but, uh... I'm not really sure if I'm attracted to guys as a girl, either...
I don't really know what I'm saying... I think I'm touching around everything but that one word... Uh... Transsexual... I dunno.
I've had casual talks with my two best friends about this before (one straight supporter, and one questioning). We usually joke about it a lot... Like, since I was younger, I've always made jokes about getting a sex change operation once I'm old enough. It was usually sarcastic, but I would say that I always just seem more like a guy... Like, I just consider myself to be very boyish... I've got a boyish build, I don't act like a girl, I've always thought makeup was the stupidest thing ever, I dunno... I just feel more like a... Boy. I guess...
I've never considered myself anything other than a straight female. Like, when I was thinking I might be bi, I always decided that it would just be much easier to just say that I was straight, because I didn't think that it was fair, I mean, I shouldn't say that I'm bi when I'm not sure, right? And for some reason, I hate the word 'bi-curious.' The same with 'transsexual' things, like, I mean, I don't really know, and if I'm not, then... Okay, I hate to say this, but... Sometimes, being gay (or maybe even how I'm feeling and acting) is considered "just a phase," you know? And so what I've always thought was that if I'm just going through a phase, then I can't identify myself as being bisexual (or anything else besides straight). Basically... There are some people out there who have turned being gay into... Shudder with me now... A 'fad'... And I'm afraid that if I claim myself as being bisexual or anything else, I'd realize later that it wasn't really true, and realize that I was being a total a*****e. =/
OH, also, I don't want to do what my friend does... I really don't like people who constantly switch orientations...
I don't really know what to say. Any opinions? Would it be insulting for me to claim myself as... A bi transsexual, when I'm still uncertain and I worry that I may be going through a 'phase' or something like that? Over-thinking it?
Ugh... I'll go ahead and add in that there have been so many times when I've actually cried wondering how different it would be if I had been born male, and there are so many 'what if?'s I have under that category, as well...
So, what'cha think? ._.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:24 pm
You're you. Everything else--what you are sexually, or what people think of you--all those things fall second to the truth that you are you. Don't think things too hard--it sounds like you need to chill out. To relax. And start getting people around you who love you for you, no matter what. And you'll figure yourself out when the time comes, and learn that sometimes, no amount of thinking things through will help you figurethings out. Sometimes, truth needs time to show itself.
That said, you very well might be transsexual. Or bisexual. Or both. But it sounds to me--since you haven't mentioned liking a guy, beyond just that--that you might develop into being a butch lesbian. Just try to be yourself. Everything else falls by the sidelines.
Love and Vale, -LD
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:06 am
Yeah, that's true... I'm not really interested in any kind of relationship now, anyway, I can wait until things might arrange themselves. My mom's getting suspicious. ._. She's very homophobic, and because I act like I have no interest in guys, she began assuming that I was lesbian. She never really took it into account that I never showed any interest in girls, either. Then again, I have had quite a few fake girlfriends. Maybe she does know what she's talking about. Heh, there was this one girl who I was pretending to date, and I think that's, like, the only girl my mom would ever want me to actually date. She totally loves her. And she was kind of confused when I told her we weren't really girlfriends. <.<
I said something about my thoughts in my first post to my two best friends recently. I was spending the night with them, and we were all three trying to shove into a full-sized bed; I was in the middle, and it was dark and quiet, I randomly said, I'm a transsexual. After a pause, I said, Goodnight, and we proceeded to sing Rocky Horror Picture Show. ><
I really DO just need to calm down. Stop thinking. Meh. I guess it doesn't help when one of my best friend's NEVAR stops complaining about being single again, and my other best friend has to decline guys asking her out pretty much daily, and it gets me thinking about the fact that I've never had a boyfriend or a girlfriend and makes me wonder when I will and what gender it will be and then I end up freaking out like that. Dx
3nodding I think I'll just relax. Like you said. Me. That's all I am right now... Thanks. ^^
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:27 am
Sure, I'm glad to help. Truth be told, I think too much sometimes, too. For example, back in December, I told a friend of mine that it might not be a good idea to get close to me, because I didn't want to lose control around him--I respect him too much for that. He told me, quite clearly, that if I ever lost control, he would be more than able to stop me, which is entirely true. And he said that we were too close to stop being friends because I couldn't just shut up and let things be.
And now? He's spending the night tonight, completely unafraid of me. I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing, but I'm willing for the moment at least, to let things just be the way they are, or will be--que sora sora, as they say.
I think we could all use a bit of that free spirit sometimes. Because, as my friend has taught me, thinking is good until it starts to drive your mind in maddening circles. So my advice is to just let loose for a while, just live for everyday, until you can take on tomorrow's problems, and never forget to take the simple pleasures of life, because nothing eases self-doubt like smiling and laughing with friends. "Just be yourself--that's all you really need to know."*
When you come to a realization within yourself--like I did when I figured out that I was indeed gay--it will feel right. Don't pull that dawning towards you, or push it away--its kind of like a cat, really. It will come to you in its own time--probably when its hungry--and until then, any coaxing might scare it off longer than necessary.
Love and Vale, -LD
*Quoted from Fruits Basket. I couldn't resist! xd
EDIT: On the subject of your mom, don't worry about her. Don't bother trying to conform to her standards--you'll both be miserable. She might not like it, but she'll come around in her own time, after all, she is your mother. Your first priority in this must be yourself. Selflessness is good until it becomes self-destructive. Don't cross that line.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:54 pm
Lose control? If you don't mind my prying... What is it you mean by that? o_o Oh, and is this a straight friend? If it is, I applaud him. I don't know any straight guys who would be accepting enough to even consider still talking to even a close friend if they came out to him, and I know very few girls who would tolerate others being lesbian. >< But I do know a lot of hypocrites, guys who thinks gay guys are disgusting but like lesbians (not surprising), and girls who love hanging out with gay guys but don't take into account the fact that girls can be gay, too. ._.
I've realized how hard things can be even without these things; I really should slow down. My straight girl friend was recently asked out by a guy we met this summer, and she's scared, 'cause she's been asked out MANY times (she's really kind of, um, irresistible), and always said no, because besides the fact that she didn't like most of the guys like that, she's actually been saying for a year that her parents won't let her date until she's sixteen (ten months), but in reality, she's just too scared to do that - she's really innocent and has never been kissed or had a boyfriend and stuff like that. And now she's thinking about it 'cause she kind of likes him, too, but once again is very skittish, so she isn't quite sure what she's going to do. Annnd on the complete other end of the spectrum... Once, while my mom was drunk, she told me about how a while back she got my sister drunk, and while she was, my sister told my mom about how one of her friends recently came out to her and their friends that he's gay. I kind of knew it all along, I could tell, I'm just surprised he's admitted it to himself and his friends... It's going to be their senior year of high school, he may or may not come out... There are actually some good reasons he should stay out of sight for a while, though. My sister and he doesn't know that I know, and I haven't told even my two best friends who I tell everyone, and even though no one here knows who the hell I'm talking about and no names will be said, I feel a bit guilty.
Yeah, my mom is... Weird. She's totally homophobic, but for like my entire middle school years, everytime she'd make a gay joke, she'd follow it up with, "But I don't care if you're gay" or "But I'd still love you if you were a lesbian." And I'd always be like... -.- I'M NOT A LESBIAN!!! She never believed me, but that's okay, 'cause I'm not sure anyway. Is it wrong that I don't really want anyone in my family to know? If I was lesbian, that is. I mean, it's not that I'd be ashamed, but... I just don't want to deal with my mom. She wouldn't be surprised or upset, I know, by now, but still... I'd have no problem coming out to the public, pretty much anybody besides my mom and my grandparents. My grandma would probably tell me I didn't know what I was talking about, and my grandpa would be pissed. Honestly, I kinda just feel that it's none of their goddamn business, is how I feel. ._.
AND I LURVE ME SOME FRUITS BASKET! heart heart heart
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:49 pm
Lose control.... Is just what it sounds like. I usually keep myself on a pretty tight leash around people I have feelings for, especially if they're straight guys--which he is. Not to say I'm not affectionate, because I am. All of my friends, huggy or not, hug me. I make it pretty clear that I can't be friends with people who don't know how to accept a good-natured hug. Even my guy friends know that--and they also know that, with the exception of Robert, I have no feelings for any of them, outside friendship.
Robert knows that I adore him, and I know that I can never have him. He has all the qualities I wish I had in myself--kindness, warmth, strength, free-spiritedness, (and an amazing body). So I stay around him, partially because I hope those qualities will rub off on me, and partially because there are things I can protect him from, that he can't. First I was friends with him, then I lusted after him, then I admired him--and now, I can honestly say that I love him, as I say, "The kind of love that deserves a capital "L". And he knows all that, and is okay with that. And it makes me very glad that I met him, and love him the way I do--everything has been worth it.
But with this other friend--the one that spent the night--yeah, he's straight. And he doesn't care at all. I'm teaching him how to swim--I've been swimming since before I could walk, literally. He doesn't mind when I have to...help him. In fact, I'm the one who usually freaks out if I accidentally touch his butt or something. And he's the one who usually laughs at me. Hell, after we got out of the pool, we watched Fruits Basket on my bed together. And ate chips and salsa. I mean, we sang karaoke together! If that ain't camaraderie, nothing is. After everything--and I swear I'm not kidding--we ended up talking about our various experiences sexually, and watching porn. (We are guys, after all.) I didn't really care for the moaning of the women, and he didn't really get the playfulness of the men, but we just laughed at it all. He relaxes me--I think he's the only person I wouldn't blanch at the thought of watching ANY porn with, much less gay porn with a straight guy.
Relaxing, that's what we all need sometimes. I think the both of us could use a lot of that. People who are okay with who and what we are, who let us be us--people who calm our spirits when they're storming--that's what we need. And as for your friend, I think she could use some of that, too. And like me, sometimes, it sounds like she needs someone just to jolt her out of her rut, to lend her the courage to take the initiative. If I may say so, she needs to let things be--to allow herself to fall for someone.
And just like none of this isn't anyone else's business--not even my business, entirely--your sexuality isn't any of their damn business. There's no reason for them to feel one way or the other about it because it's a part of who you are. For them to be pissed about your sexuality would be like them being pissed about your eye color. Which is more silly and sad than anything else.
Just like my friends have to accept that I'm gay, and that if they're my friends, well, then they can expect to get hugged--because it's all part of the territory. And if I have less guy friends because of it, then that's a mutual loss. But I can't be friends with people halfway, it's like wearing masks all the time--you can't read their expression, you can't see how they really feel, you can't touch them; even their words and yours are muffled by the masks, and only half of everything said is understood. My friends are dear to me--there is almost nothing I wouldn't do for any and all of them--and in my own way, I love them all. But it's really hard to love people through masks, to appreciate the world through a veil--as for me, at least, I refuse to love halfway. My friends quickly learn that I take no less than I give--honesty, kindness, appreciation, openness--and most accept that too, and I see the changes in those people, the little light they let shine through, how their smiles transform, how they respond to my hugs, how they laugh when I tell them I love them, and then say it back. I love that, and I wouldn't wish for anything less.
I see how they change when they talk to other people, too. They begin to expect more, offer more of themselves upfront, and demand that same thing of the other person. I remember, only once, crying on the shoulder of a close friend, and afterwards, being ashamed of myself. "Don't be," he said. "I know you'd do the same for me." And I would, for him, and for all of my friends.
And I began to change, myself, slowly. I let myself be more free with my emotions, less arrogant, kinder, happier. I let myself laugh when I needed to laugh, and cry when I needed to cry. I let others see me, the complete me that I didn't even know existed until others brought it out in me. Until someone put me in front of a mirror, and said, figuratively, "Just be yourself." And I did.
...And I couldn't go back if I tried. And I wouldn't.
Maybe why I can only tell you to be yourself, to relax, to take things as they are as they'll be, and to deal with everything else as it comes. But even so, there's something I believe--people shouldn't compromise themselves for anything. Or anyone.
Love and Vale, -Leavaros Dapple
EDIT: I heart Aya!
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:32 pm
You know, everything that you've said has really helped. :] Thank you very much.
I think I'm going to mention some of your points about letting onesself fall for someone to my friend. She's kept him in the dark for a few days now; she said she's going to wait and make up her mind after this party he's having on Saturday that we're all going to. We may see him again on Thursday, and I'm probably going to have a "talk" with him, as best friend of the girl he's trying to court.
Yeah, I suppose that my business is just... My own business. Wow, I guess that's a bit contradictory, no? Saying that I don't want the people I'm closest to, in my own house snooping around whatever my love life may bring, but being able to talk so openly on a forum. ._. Ah, well, I think sometimes you need to talk about things like this with people who can't really judge you, because they don't know you, or have been in situations similar to you, or at least won't bash you, seeing as how this is a GSA. ><
Heh, the eye colour thing is actually kinda funny... My mom has been telling my sister and I since we were really little, at first pretending to be sarcastic, that we need to get married to and have children with men with blue eyes, because out of her and her two blue-eyed brothers, she's the only one who had children with blue eyes. My mom has blue eyes, my dad had blue eyes, my maternal grandparents have blue eyes, and my paternal grandmother at least has blue eyes, but my uncles have brown-eyed children, and my mom has said the most stupidest, sickest things about preserving the eye colour in our family. o_o ...My mom is really, really weird. ...Just a little, weird anecdote. sweatdrop
Yeah... My two best friends, I can be myself around them. They wouldn't care; one broke up with her boyfriend 'cause he freaked when she claimed to be bi and the other was excited and giddy when a gay Starbucks worker asked if she was "family" because of her rainbow belt. As a matter of fact, I remember one of them trying to get me to tell them what my sexuality really was. Not to smote me, just out of curiousity. I've never really told anyone what I consider myself to be, because I just have no idea. And they're okay with that. They don't care, they're not surprised when I act... Bi or lesbian around them. They're the kind of people I can be comfortable and relaxed around, who won't care what I eventually uncover about myself.
Thanks a lot for the comforting words. ^^
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:37 pm
You're welcome, and don't sweat it, Juria-kun. Feel free to talk to your friend about this: like you said, this is a public place, and we are talking about her. I'd say that she has more of a right to this discussion than anyone. I applaud you for talking to him beforehand--if he's a scumbag it's better that she doesn't fall for him. I don't think it's contradictory at all, Juria. There are things that most people don't talk to their families about, like sex. Who better to turn to in a situation like this than people who have in all likelihood experienced many of the things you yourself are experiencing now? And what is the GGSA if not an assembly of friends who support one another through tough times, especially when dealing with sexuality and difficult parents? Interesting anecdote. It seems like an odd thing for a mother to tell her child, but I've heard stranger. And compounding that with her stating you as a lesbian...don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds as if she has some issues of her own to work out. Your friends are strong. That's good, everyone needs friends like that, especially when they are confused about themselves. My friends have a grounding effect on me--when I'm with them, even if I doubt myself, or feel bad about myself, they make it a little easier to manage, a little easier to be myself, even if I'm not perfect. Does that make any sense? And...you're welcome. It's strange, but I've been hearing a lot of that lately. You know...I was just telling someone else today: Leavaros As Mama used to say of me, "He's never met a stranger." And I never shall. Are you less than a person because I don't know your name? Or because I've never met you? Of course not. But you were there, and you asked for advice, and I gave it. It is no great kindness to offer help to someone in need--it is simple human decency, and the start of compassion. So when I say that I'm glad to have helped, I am, really. Because I don't like seeing people hurting or in need, and I've never been one to turn away from people. Or turn them away. In that, I am my mother's son. If someone can help another, and earn a friend in the process, and it costs them nothing but a warm, fuzzy feeling afterwards, who on earth wouldn't? I'm nothing special, really--I just try to be the best me that I can. Love and Vale, -LD
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:18 pm
That's a really neat way to look at it. :] You're quite helpful, and inciteful as well.
Yeah, my friends are great. I'm pretty lucky about that.
I'll just stop trying to label myself; I've just been trying to put myself in one box or the other, ya know? It doesn't really matter so much what I call myself.
Guess I don't have a lot more to say about that. I'm feeling much better about stuff about my sexuality.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:49 pm
And I'm very glad for that, Juria-kun. Insightful I may be, but it was not an attribute that came easily--I had to develop it as a skill as a person and as a writer's tool, just like I have to shape those insights into words--and the right words, no less--to make them true to the insight itself.
Love and Vale, -LD
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:51 pm
Wow......I'm not sure what I could possibly say after all that, but....yes. Going through finding yourself, your orientation, your gender role, anything, can be one of the hardest things you can go through. I myself, am guilty of thinking too much and freaking out over it. I keep thinking that I'm thinking it over too much and I should just roll with the punches, but it feels like I don't know who I am. That depresses me. Like when I see girls together and being close, and people kissing, and thinking about it all, and changing for gym, and everything. But yes, I applaud you on how far you've come, and I hope that the rest of the way is smooth sailing for you. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:01 pm
Honestly, I think you should just take a big breath and chill for a second. This might seem a little weird but just hear me out. All through highschool I went through the same thing. I drove myself nuts constantly wanting make a decision already and label myself something just so I could have an identity just like everyone else. It was so hard though because you're right, there are always so many ifs. I was never sure how I felt about things, at one point I was sure I was bi, then I was sure I was gay. But at the end I just didn't know. And I always felt bad about claiming something I wasn't sure of. I think you should let things play out. Do what you want to do and celebrate being yourself. If you want to call yourself something then do, don't listen to any voice, even your own, that stops you from what you want. But don't feel the need to finalize anything until you want to. Life changes us so much and while it empowers a lot of people to include themselves in a category. And thats great. But its not for everyone. Do what you want and don't feel pressured. And seriously, a general rule for life is if your being honest you're not an a*****e
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