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 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:26 pm
You make a good point yokomotoz. We should not, however, see the fact that they had the power to chose not to commit the crimes as an excuse to kill them. Otherwise, we are failing in the same way they did.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:59 am
And what moral ground do they have to continue to live after killing? I suppose its different environments that affect our judgment on these issues. While it is wrong to kill, I believe that an eye for an eye is the closest thing to justice. Molestation to me equals castration and painfully for true justice. Killing to me means death in my sense of true justice. And rape to me means staying with the worst sodomites on the planet in prison.
And don't get me wrong. I don't like the death penalty to those who have differing political views than the norm. I don't like the death penalty to those who are trying to spread their form of religion or message. In my eyes you deserve to get what you have done to others. Embezzlement and cheating others of their money, deserves the seizing of all assets and return to the people stolen from. Its as simple as that in my eyes.
And to solve your executioner's riddle. My answer would be this, if the family of the dead truly wanted revenge in the form of death, then they themselves can do it and hold that on their conscience. That way we may very well eliminate the death penalty and just shove murderers in life imprisonment without parole.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:28 pm
And what moral grounds do we have to stop them from living.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:42 am
The moral grounds? You're asking me what moral grounds I'm standing by to kill a serial killer? What moral grounds do we have to defend these people? Is that fair to a family or families that would want the death penalty, to defend their loved ones killer? How dare you ask what moral grounds we have to end their lives when it should be the other way around. What moral grounds, other than making money off a murderer, do we have to defend them?
My personal moral grounds to stop them from living are simple. This person ended one or many lives, has turned families upside down, and has caused untold damage and trauma to these families. If they demand the death penalty who are we to go against them? Have you suffered the trauma of the dozens families affected by John Wayne Gacy and his perverse sickness? Are you one of the over 30 parents who lost their daughter who were in the playground, or simply walking home from school, or getting home from work that were raped and killed by Ted Bundy? Are you part of the families affected by the grisly executions done by Charles Manson? Have you any idea what its like to never be able to bury your child properly because their remains have gone missing or have been cannibalized as in the case of Dahmer?
How dare you question these people and the pain that they have gone through by saying, "What moral grounds do we have to stop them from living?" What moral grounds do we have to stop these people and the justice they seek and rightfully deserve?
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:34 pm
I dare, because if we kill them we are no better than them. we become killers in our own right.
Let me put it like this:
Would you be willing to strap the man to the chair? Would you be willing to find the vein and insert the needle? Would you be willing to inject the poison? Would you be willing to watch as the mans eyes clouded over, knowing that you were the cause of his life being snuffed out? Would you be willing to live with the knowledge that you killed someone?
Justice can come in many forms, death is not the only option.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:25 pm
If it was my sister, if it was my daughter, if it was my wife, my cousin, my mother, my own blood I would not for one second hesitate to find that vein. I would not hesitate to strap him or her to the chair. I would not hesitate to put the noose over them. I back what I say, and I stand by it all the way, even if I was in the position. That man or woman's eyes clouding over would insure that no other person would suffer the fate that I did, or for that matter another inmate. I could care less for the waste of space of a human. In my mentality, its an eye for an eye. And death is the option for death. Either that or lifelong torture. Nothing else in mine or many of the families eyes is usually enough justice. I challenge you to take the poll and find the majority on it and see if they would want mercy for the killers of their loved ones.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:55 pm
Then you seem to have little to no compassion whatsoever. If you feel that ardently about killing people there is no point in arguing with you because I cannot change your mind.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:55 am
Hold on, just because I support the death penalty I lack compassion and that its pointless to argue with me? What does that have to do with this debate? That is a personal insult, its not part of this debate. Because I would have a serial killer done off does not mean I have no humanity it means that I don't care for the scum of society.
To start talking about me personally rather than the debate in general shows that you have absolutely nothing left to back up your argument other than insults at my humanity and compassion. You know what? I have no time at all to deal with someone that insults me, I need to talk to to people who can actually hold up an argument.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:08 am
Killing is killing. It makes you a killer if you can sit the and let them die by your hand, but it doesn't mean you lack compassion or humanity. I think it's wrong to sentence someone to death, but many times, they're doing it out of compassion. But either way, it's wrong in my heart. And that's all that matter's to me.
I wrote a small essay...uh...paragraph on this subject. If I can find it, I'll type it in here.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:05 am
I am not for it. A person can and might change in the course of time.. And after all, what if you made a mistake? Or if there was something they didn't understand?
And, given the argument that the person murdered a loved one of mine, I'd like to keep them alive. How else would I ever understand why he/she killed someone I love? And how else would the person feel remorse about killing?
And as animegirl113 said, Killing is indeed killing. No matter how you look at it, you are killing someone.
One is not to avenge himself, lest he lose his right to heaven.
A parish priest told me that himself. I'm sure the same applies here in this issue.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:12 pm
Quote: ....Death is the easy way out.... Quote: I remember a conversation with an ex of mine and he said that public executions should be legal. Because it would scare people into following their government. That's one of the most idiotic things I've heard of. People shouldn't fear their government, they're supposed to feel safer with it.
There's no generalizing to the public opinion. Perhaps they should set up a major-population poll? Then again statistics are half-assed and liable to mess up.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:10 pm
I live in england and i think its stupid we don't have a death penalty.I a person killed a person,robbed a person,raped and badly hurt a person the attacked should be killed and hung from and bridge adn thrown rocks at
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