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 Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:40 am
Da_Nuke Back in elementary and middle school, I used to sometimes play Mortal Kombat, Doom 64, Starcraft, Goldeneye 007, and all sorts of violent games. Oh, and I also used to watch something as "mature" as Ranma 1/2 at that age. Yet, every time my mom freaked out about the massive violence and how it could affect us, I finished the discussion with a simple rebuttal: "It's just a TV series/videogame! It ain't real! I can't kill anyone!". So far, the only thing a videogame or movie could do to me or a relative was making my brother speak like a character from that film. And that's because he has this habit of speaking like one of the characters of the last film or videogame he liked. When he was playing GTA San Andreas, he used to scream "Oh, a*****e, my s**t!", just like CJ. But then he watched Scarface and began talking like Tony Montana: "You ******** with me? Fine, say hello to my little friend". Before that, he watched LOTR:ROTK and began speaking like Gandalf. Now that he watched 300, he keeps speaking like Leonidas. Conclusion: playing violent videogames doesn't makes you a violent dude.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:26 am
I believe that if you can't tell the difference between a video game and real life, stop right there, you've found the mental defect.
Otherwise, people aren't as easily influenced as you'd think. I play tons of violent games, I play Devil May Cry, Dynasty Warriors, TONS! Despite this, a whole bunch of people who play sports which is "Oh so good for you." Are extremely violent, and sometimes gut-punch me for saying hello. I usually don't fight back, but one time one of my friends was trying to show how tough he was, so while I was tying my shoe in Social Studies class, he jumped on my back, which made me fall over, and he kicked my in the side.
For a moment I had blind rage, and I immediately jumped up and hit him in the stomach, but then I stopped and realized what I did. I apologized, but he was looking at me like he did nothing wrong and I just hit him out of nowhere.
Anyway, the point is that I play more video games than anyone I know, and the only one that's more of a pacifist than I am is my ex-girlfriend.
My parents know I'm extremely mature for my age, and they also think I'm brilliant, but they will believe anything ANY politician or any news source says about video games.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:38 am
For the retaliation!
Media and politicians have done studies and proven that violent video games activate a certain part of your brain involving violence. What has also been proven, yet failed to be reported as well, is that sports, especially types like football and rugby also activate the same part of your brain, but even more so.
Many people also argue that watching it in a game may cause you to imitate it in real life. This brings up the same thing as stunts on TV and such, with warnings like "Do Not Attempt at Home." Are they going to ban these as well? As long as the parents aren't complete ******** and have taught their kids some morals, then they shouldn't have a problem with not shooting someone.
Another argument is that video games are too lifelike, blurring the line between reality and fiction. Again, if you can't tell the difference you have a HUGE mental issue. They say if you play too many games, you'll think games are reality. The purpose of games is to be someone we're not. A hero from a distant land, a spy on a military operation, a warrior fighting for Earth's survival, why would we suddenly begin to think our frail bodies are invincible?
A really common argument is "Columbine shooters played lots of video games." Well, no s**t. A lot of kids play video games. Pretty much everyone has played one, so you can't really expect all killers to have killed someone because of a video game. Every killer has eaten, slept, and walked at least once in their lifetime. Does this mean that those three things cause violence?
Not to mention there has not been ONE, not ONE SINGLE report of someone ever having killed someone because of violent games. Everyone who is suspected of this had abusive parents, mental issues, or used violence to obtain money because they were poor.
Someone tell me another argument or tell me what's wrong with my logic please. I'd like to know how to make it better.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:32 pm
DarkMsage A really common argument is "Columbine shooters played lots of video games." Well, no s**t. A lot of kids play video games. Pretty much everyone has played one, so you can't really expect all killers to have killed someone because of a video game. Every killer has eaten, slept, and walked at least once in their lifetime. Does this mean that those three things cause violence? I second you on that, dude, and I add another point. The kids at Columbine High did played a lot of videogames, true. But they also were being constantly bullied by the jocks at school. Bullying leads to suffering, suffering leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to grabbing a Tec-9 and wrecking havoc at school. Cho Seung-Hui did the same at Virginia Tech, but I've seen nothing about him being a gamer, yet he has the fault for all those "VTech just kicked in, yo!" jokes I saw once on the 4chan boards. See? Videogames don't turn people into killers. Mental issues turn people into killers.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:20 pm
I think it might have an effect on certain types of people, but it can't possibly be the only factor leading to violence.
I know the difference between reality and videogames. I understand that violence and killing is not a game. It's not something we do for fun. Had I been raised to kill and to hurt maybe it would be different but I don't think video games are the only cause for increased violence.
Just for another statistic. Video games are also the reason that these generations are producing excellent micro-surgeons because we're used to small movements.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:41 am
Da_Nuke DarkMsage A really common argument is "Columbine shooters played lots of video games." Well, no s**t. A lot of kids play video games. Pretty much everyone has played one, so you can't really expect all killers to have killed someone because of a video game. Every killer has eaten, slept, and walked at least once in their lifetime. Does this mean that those three things cause violence? I second you on that, dude, and I add another point. The kids at Columbine High did played a lot of videogames, true. But they also were being constantly bullied by the jocks at school. Bullying leads to suffering, suffering leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to grabbing a Tec-9 and wrecking havoc at school. Cho Seung-Hui did the same at Virginia Tech, but I've seen nothing about him being a gamer, yet he has the fault for all those "VTech just kicked in, yo!" jokes I saw once on the 4chan boards. See? Videogames don't turn people into killers. Mental issues turn people into killers. They interviewed the Virginia Tech shooter's roommate. He said he never saw him play a video game once, the only thing related to violence he ever saw was every Sunday (Or Monday, I dunno, once a week) he watched wrestling.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:54 pm
Did I kill this topic or something?
TALK DAMMIT!!!
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:52 am
Personally, in my opinoin (SP?) the Virginia Tech Shooter was mentally isane.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:06 pm
I don't think he was insane, just socially abused.
Of course, I'm not entirely sure of his story, so I could be completely off.
Anyway, off topic, someone prove me wrong! GAH!
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:11 pm
DarkMsage Did I kill this topic or something? TALK DAMMIT!!! I SHALL TALK! biggrin I just saw on the news that Manhunt got banned in like 8 countries in the world. eek Even in the USA, the ESRB rated it with the dreaded AO, and now, pretty much the only way to get it is either bootlegged or over the Internets for $100. Though well, it's well known that the guys at Rockstar Games like to cause massive controversy with their games, I still think they went too far with that massive ban. I mean, if there was some non-hidden smut in the game, I'd be fine, but there's just violence. Well, maybe a LOT indeed of violence and gore... but I once saw some Manhunt videos and they're pretty much as violent as any Mortal Kombat game from the Super NES era. As you can see, it's very easy to go overboard with game ratings, don't ya think? I, for one, would panic if I got an AO rating, because of the reasons mentioned above. However, I wouldn't mind about getting an M rating for my games. I say it because we teens are really clever... otherwise, we wouldn't drink and smoke in high school. ninja
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:50 am
Ok, I agree that some games may just be a teeny bit... um... icky, to put it lightly, but still...
There is a simple conclusion. Use your brain. If you don't like gore, do not buy. There's no need to restrict what media that we, people of earth, see. I could very well write a gory novel and it would be open to the public, for anyone to read.
Why? Because it's the text medium.
If I ask anything to change about the ratings of everything, I at least ask for equality and fairness of all fronts of media. There's no reason to single videogames out like the nerd in your homeroom and then rag on them.
Comic books had the same problem. If people can think that superman makes kids violent, videogames are practically sharkbait.
The problem is that I don't think there is a defense league for videogames, like there is for comics. I opt for one, if only to stop this all.
Face it, we're practically going through the same ordeal as our parents: with videogames this time instead of comic books. New media is always harangued when it takes moves forward. Comic books were new then. Videogames are new now.
M'excuse, I'm going to go play some Okami now. cool
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