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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:08 pm


okay, i came up with this theory a while ago in math class, i want to know your guys's opinions on it.

just a quick little recap: absolute values are a numbers distance from zero on the number line. So the absolute value of 100 is 100, and the absolute value of -100 is also 100.
Basically the whole point is that there is no such thing as a negative absolute value.

When the teacher said that, it lead me to think... what if an absolute value was negative? Wouldn't it sort of continue past the zero, to coexist with the other numbers but on a different plane? Or would it branch off from the zero at an entirely different angle?

I then realized that that's a perfect metaphor for the astral plane. (at least as i see it.) Supposedly nonexistant, but co-existing with the world as we know it, entirely unseen and unacknowledged.




what do you guys think of this?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:24 pm


It seems a rough comparison. It doesn't seem quite right to me, mostly because the idea of a negative absolute value defeats the whole purpose of absolute values, namely, a real number without regarding it's sign, or in terms of the number line, the distance on that number line from 0. You can't have a negative absolute value because you can't have a negative absolute distance, namely, something is either as close as it can get, or farther away. You can't get closer then that.

I do understand the idea of the metaphor, though. In fact, the idea of all the different realms of infinite numbers, the infinitesimals, the transfinite numbers, all of these metaphors in my head for the interactions of infinite powers, infinite energies and gods... And I know I was on to something too, because I stumped the math professor who came into our physics class when I asked him about infinity. He told me I'd have to take a class in college on it, heh.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:27 pm


hm, that's true...

i guess i was just seeing it as being so close it doubles up on itself, but you're definately right about the distance thing.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:47 pm


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hm, that's true...

i guess i was just seeing it as being so close it doubles up on itself, but you're definately right about the distance thing.

It's ok. It works less as math and more as a metaphor, but the idea of the seemingly impossible co-inciting with the possible is very cool.

Ever played a game called Xenosaga? The enemy aliens come out of the Realm of Imaginary Numbers, which is a pretty solid mathematical spirit realm, there.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:02 am


My opinion?

Math and magic should never be mixed. It just shouldn't.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:30 pm


that_fairy
My opinion?

Math and magic should never be mixed. It just shouldn't.


What better banishing ritual than dividing all negativity by zero? =o

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:41 pm


Mitsh
that_fairy
My opinion?

Math and magic should never be mixed. It just shouldn't.


What better banishing ritual than dividing all negativity by zero? =o


*dies laughing*

You win.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:33 pm


Joshua_Ritter
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hm, that's true...

i guess i was just seeing it as being so close it doubles up on itself, but you're definately right about the distance thing.

It's ok. It works less as math and more as a metaphor, but the idea of the seemingly impossible co-inciting with the possible is very cool.

Ever played a game called Xenosaga? The enemy aliens come out of the Realm of Imaginary Numbers, which is a pretty solid mathematical spirit realm, there.
I've never played it, it sounds interesting though.
Its pretty funny, all of my friends are failing geometry because they can't get imaginay numbers. They all come out of class complaining "I DON'T GET IT!! THEY DON'T EVEN EXIST FOR GOD'S SAKE, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FIND THEM!?!?!?"

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:52 pm


Mitsh
that_fairy
My opinion?

Math and magic should never be mixed. It just shouldn't.


What better banishing ritual than dividing all negativity by zero? =o

Why not mix them? Everything becomes magic, eventually.

Good game, Mitsh. Good game.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:53 pm


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Joshua_Ritter
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hm, that's true...

i guess i was just seeing it as being so close it doubles up on itself, but you're definately right about the distance thing.

It's ok. It works less as math and more as a metaphor, but the idea of the seemingly impossible co-inciting with the possible is very cool.

Ever played a game called Xenosaga? The enemy aliens come out of the Realm of Imaginary Numbers, which is a pretty solid mathematical spirit realm, there.
I've never played it, it sounds interesting though.
Its pretty funny, all of my friends are failing geometry because they can't get imaginay numbers. They all come out of class complaining "I DON'T GET IT!! THEY DON'T EVEN EXIST FOR GOD'S SAKE, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FIND THEM!?!?!?"

Yeah, play it if you can. Tons of Gnosticism and other cool crap.

And I laugh at your friends. Something not being possible hasn't really stopped mathematics, interestingly enough.

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Yvaine

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:15 pm


It *certainly* hasn't stopped quantum physics. In fact, most quantum physicists I've ever seen either look like wizards or Ponder Stibbons (which is close enough, of course). And the way they gabble about possibility reminds me frighteningly of Josh.
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