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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:56 pm
Where is the line draw between reality and non-reality?
What makes something real and something fake?
What makes your thoughts any less real than a brick?
Where do people get off on claiming something to be "Non-Fiction"?
What is the difference between fictional/mythological and realistic psi practice?
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:58 pm
Aaaand... My own thoughts to the questions I asked...
umm
What makes something real is the ability to feel it, in a way, if you know/beleive it's real, than in your own perception of reality, it is there.
For instance the thing that makes that wall by you, and your emotions real are the fact that you can FEEL them. 3nodding (I love whatever reiki book I got that from mrgreen )
and that's all I think I know and am willing to post for now. confused
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:13 pm
If it works, it's real, problem solved.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:32 am
EVERYTHING is real. Maybe not utilitarian... but anything is, and can be. Not mentioning the obvious follow up which states that everything is NOT real.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:19 pm
i agree with lobo, if you think its real, it is
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:32 pm
Things that are believed are real, even if they are not believed now they still exist in another realm, either in ones we know about or ones we have yet to discover it.
Think about, some guy invents the light bulb, Thomas Edison buys the idea off him and tried to get people to believe in it after he invented it, if no one believed then the light bulb or electricity would have either been claimed by someone else or never happen in general.
its sort of a odd example in my eyes but it works.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:07 pm
I've been plotting out my response since I saw this thread shortly after it was posted. I think I've finally figured out what I'm going to say.
Reality is all a perception. What we see as "real" as children is based on our own personal experience. We don't really talk about things as in-depth as we do as teenagers and adults. If we have an imaginary friend, we may mention them in passing, but for the most part, we don't talk about it. As we grow and become more vocal and social creatures, we see that certain things aren't "normal". So we start denying them, and they become "unreal" or "fake". "Reality", for most, is a general consensus between the population. That population, or consensus for that matter, can vary with geographic location, culture, and beliefs. But in reality (ha), that which is "real" is based solely on individual perception.
"Non-fiction", though, generally refers to literature. Non-fiction can include biographies, essays, personal accounts, and collections of information. I don't really see how this applies.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:41 pm
Dammit, Dras stole my answer! gonk Now I need to go think some more and come up with something relevant to add.
*retreats to PooH's ThotFuL sPot*
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:50 pm
Okay, here goes:
From what I've seen, the line between fictitious and realistic psi practice is where people perceive that the line is crossed between clearly delusional and arguably possible. As I consider the definition of reality rather subjective (like Dras said), then too what is considered legitimate psi practice by some would be ludicrous fantasy to others. I guess the best practical measure would be when the majority of psi practitioners feel you're either making it up or in need of a padded cell and some nice thorazine. Assuming, of course, you believe that not all psi practitioners are mental. (Otherwise, why are you in this guild?)
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:45 pm
Yvaine Okay, here goes: From what I've seen, the line between fictitious and realistic psi practice is where people perceive that the line is crossed between clearly delusional and arguably possible. As I consider the definition of reality rather subjective (like Dras said), then too what is considered legitimate psi practice by some would be ludicrous fantasy to others. I guess the best practical measure would be when the majority of psi practitioners feel you're either making it up or in need of a padded cell and some nice thorazine. Assuming, of course, you believe that not all psi practitioners are mental. (Otherwise, why are you in this guild?)
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:24 pm
Actually, the newest deo's Shadow (if you are Pagan, I highly suggest this podcast!) has quite a bit of talk about Truth, as well as Honesty when relaying stranger experiences. Episode #28 also has a nifty discussion of calling BS. ^_^
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:48 pm
DrasBrisingr I've been plotting out my response since I saw this thread shortly after it was posted. I think I've finally figured out what I'm going to say. Reality is all a perception. What we see as "real" as children is based on our own personal experience. We don't really talk about things as in-depth as we do as teenagers and adults. If we have an imaginary friend, we may mention them in passing, but for the most part, we don't talk about it. As we grow and become more vocal and social creatures, we see that certain things aren't "normal". So we start denying them, and they become "unreal" or "fake". "Reality", for most, is a general consensus between the population. That population, or consensus for that matter, can vary with geographic location, culture, and beliefs. But in reality (ha), that which is "real" is based solely on individual perception. "Non-fiction", though, generally refers to literature. Non-fiction can include biographies, essays, personal accounts, and collections of information. I don't really see how this applies. When I meant "Non-fiction" I meant "Not fictional", as in, not fake etc. sweatdrop I beleive you've comepletely worded out the majority of my thoughts on this topic smile
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:53 am
While I think anything's possible, I also think we as magic and psi practitioners, have a responsibility to disciplined, skeptical thought to eliminate more mundane answers.
Honestly, I think that once we learn real magic, then we understand that step, and it just becomes tricks. Magic is just that next step of understanding that we don't have yet. I quoth Arthur C. Clarke "Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic to the untrained."
...or some such.
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