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 Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:28 pm
I THINK WE NEED HANUKKAH ITEMS! ^^ ppl get reaally pissed at me this time of year...
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:17 pm
Alina Sedai I THINK WE NEED HANUKKAH ITEMS! ^^ ppl get reaally pissed at me this time of year... ? Why's that? I really like your avatar, by the way! 3nodding
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:13 pm
Alina Sedai I THINK WE NEED HANUKKAH ITEMS! ^^ ppl get reaally pissed at me this time of year... People get annoyed at me around the holy days. I usually get bitchy about the fact that Xmas is a paid vacation day, but I have to use personal time for Yom Kippur and Rosh Hoshana. *le grumble*
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:14 am
I agree. On the other hand, look at Christian versus Jewish holidays. They have Christmas and Easter, which are one day each. Some also take off for Good Friday or Ash Wednesday, but they take those out of their leave time. They don't have any holidays on which they're forbidden to work, only holidays in which they have traditions not to schlep to the office.
We have, let's see.
Rosh Hashanah (2 days in the Diaspora) - no work
Tzom G'dalyah - work permitted, but it won't be high quality work because we're hungry
Yom Kippur - no work
Sukkot - work permitted only on certain days, and highly restricted
Hoshanah Rabbah - work permitted until an hour before sunset, so you have to take off early
Simchat Torah - no work
Purim - work highly discouraged and restricted
Pesach - work permitted only on certain days, and highly restricted
Shavuot - no work
That's around 2 weeks of holidays in which no work is permitted, and another 2 weeks of holidays in which work is highly restricted and discouraged. In other countries, people are given up to 3 months' worth of vacations. It's easy to take that time to observe holidays, plus go on a mental health vacation somewhere fun and/or relaxing.
In the US, you're really lucky to get two weeks of leave time and one week's worth of sick and/or bereavement time. This could be used for holiday observance, but work is forbidden during times in which it's also forbidden to travel! If a Jew wanted to take a real vacation, they'd have to go above and beyond the time allotted for normal work vacations, sick time, and bereavement time -- and then, G*D forbid someone actually does get sick or have to attend a funeral, because they will have wasted that time on taking a vacation. No US company is going to offer to pay for that many days of paid vacation time for religious observance, let alone letting us have any more time for fun vacations.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:19 am
Divash I agree. On the other hand, look at Christian versus Jewish holidays. They have Christmas and Easter, which are one day each. Some also take off for Good Friday or Ash Wednesday, but they take those out of their leave time. They don't have any holidays on which they're forbidden to work, only holidays in which they have traditions not to schlep to the office. We have, let's see. Rosh Hashanah (2 days in the Diaspora) - no work Tzom G'dalyah - work permitted, but it won't be high quality work because we're hungry Yom Kippur - no work Sukkot - work permitted only on certain days, and highly restricted Hoshanah Rabbah - work permitted until an hour before sunset, so you have to take off early Simchat Torah - no work Purim - work highly discouraged and restricted Pesach - work permitted only on certain days, and highly restricted Shavuot - no work That's around 2 weeks of holidays in which no work is permitted, and another 2 weeks of holidays in which work is highly restricted and discouraged. In other countries, people are given up to 3 months' worth of vacations. It's easy to take that time to observe holidays, plus go on a mental health vacation somewhere fun and/or relaxing. In the US, you're really lucky to get two weeks of leave time and one week's worth of sick and/or bereavement time. This could be used for holiday observance, but work is forbidden during times in which it's also forbidden to travel! If a Jew wanted to take a real vacation, they'd have to go above and beyond the time allotted for normal work vacations, sick time, and bereavement time -- and then, G*D forbid someone actually does get sick or have to attend a funeral, because they will have wasted that time on taking a vacation. No US company is going to offer to pay for that many days of paid vacation time for religious observance, let alone letting us have any more time for fun vacations. Absolutely. That's just the situation I'm in. I get 13 days of paid time. Fortunately, I have an understanding manager, and if I can put up with 10 hour days I can make up the time and take a day off here and there. He also lets me leave early on the days I need to leave early. On an unrelated note, I love traveling home on Rosh Hoshana (well, right before it anyway.) LIRR runs extra trains for Jewish people trying to go home sooner, and it's nice to have them around to talk to. 3nodding
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