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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:36 pm


ZonkotheSane
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don't just memorize your reading sad there's no use in that.


xd I practiced mine so much I ended up memorizing it without meaning to. Still ended up reading it in my actual bat mitzvah, though. 3nodding
that's the way to do it. 3nodding

the actual leining has to be read-if one says directly it from memory, it doesn't count. (in fact, to a certain extant, it's forbidden to repeat any torah sh'b'ksav from wrote)


The actual chanting should be READ in accordance with halachah d'rabbanan, but I disagree that there's no point in memorizing. I know that if I'm memorizing something in a language that isn't familiar to me, then learn a couple of the words' meanings, I can then go back, recite it in my head while reading it in my own language with my eyes, and thereby learn a lot more about the meaning of the words I'm chanting. That's what I had to learn to do for davening, because I wasn't reared with knowledge of Hebrew, so it's still foreign to me. But the prayers that I say the most often, I understand, simply because I memorized the Hebrew and then learned the English. I know a lot more of what I'm saying that way, so I can actually pray with kavanah.

I have to likewise memorize the portions of Torah that I read for Women's Tefillah Group. One, my eyes skip a lot, and I lose my place. If I can't keep chanting, I'll never find my place again so that I can resume actual reading. Two, I'm short and the podium is tall, so that when setting the book on the podium, it's very close to my eyes. I'm farsighted, and so I need the book to be much further away from my eyes. Therefore, I can barely see the text. If I've memorized it, not only do I have a better chance of understanding what I'm reading (because I've memorized, gone and read it in Hebrew while looking at the English, and now am reading the Hebrew), but I also have a better chance of being able to read it with true expression instead of only hurrying through it like I just want it to be over with. I can honor the text and understand its meaning, instead of just focusing on, "Hmm, that looks like a letter vav, but with eyes like mine, it could be a gimmel or nun. Okay, yeah, I have no idea what that word is."
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:37 pm


YvetteEmilieDupont
don't just memorize your reading sad there's no use in that.


What do you mean there's no use in that? How else do you read out of the Torah without knowing what the words are? I studied for a year in advance for my parsha and haftorah. My parsha is Shemos.

P.S. - You can't "have" a Bar Mitzvah. You become a Bar Mitzvah.

Aniyoshi


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:00 pm


aniyoshi
YvetteEmilieDupont
don't just memorize your reading sad there's no use in that.


What do you mean there's no use in that? How else do you read out of the Torah without knowing what the words are? I studied for a year in advance for my parsha and haftorah. My parsha is Shemos.

P.S. - You can't "have" a Bar Mitzvah. You become a Bar Mitzvah.


I think she means you shouldn't memorize the Hebrew itself, and not read out of the Torah from memory. This is a chance to do something amazing, to read from an incredible source of knowledge and life-- why bother reading it if you're not actually paying attention to it? It's perfectly logical to know what the words are, as it'd be rather silly if you didn't have a clue what you were saying, or if you just know it from heart. Practicing is necessary so you don't mess up the meaning, but that doesn't mean you have to recite it without looking at it.Anyway, just my view here- it's not really the "right" one. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:18 am


Jason25
Im having my barmitzva in july im so nervous, what should I do!!! eek gonk gonk

Really? In July?
At my temple they don't do b'nai mitzvahs in July. Probably something to do with everybody taking vacations around then, that's my guess.
So I have to have a Bat Mitzvah in June. D<
You shouldn't be nervous because you know everything! I'm sure your tutor knows that you know everything very well otherwise you would have a reason to be worked up.
Plus, you have a rehearsal and dress rehearsal with the Rabbi to make sure you DO know everything. (At least...that's what we do in my temple.)
If it helps, everyone I've talked to says that it goes by quickly.

TheLittleInu


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:34 pm


nathan_ngl
Jason25
Im having my barmitzva in july im so nervous, what should I do!!! eek gonk gonk
Uhm... Prepare a nice dvar torah? 3nodding
Haha, thats funny. But its a good Idea to prepare ahed of time.. Unilke what I did. I learned my torah and wrote my speech all in the month before my bat mitzvah. rolleyes
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