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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:44 am
noblelyon seriously. I'm not saying the theory is practical, but only possible.not to mention, that there are some mentions in the story about transformation killing. ^^; it would take such tremendous energy, even gaining animalistic characteristics, that anyone smaller or less robust than most, would die of overexertion. Did i mention that it would take a LOOOOONG time? But it AIN'T possible, son. Not through genetic mutation based on radiation etc.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:44 am
too bad it isn't. I hate how unarmed the human body is.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:36 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd noblelyon I do believe it's possible, mainly because i regularly deal with unexplained occurances. My favorite being full-moon paranoia (*** i can't spell today). On the full moon, the hospital gets an average of 60% more casualties and 30% more fatalities than normal. (scientifically proven) I have a theory... If you have a constant of DNA... AATGAATGCAACT (used for generalized purposes) and you have a life close to radioactivity... like in a nuclear power plant or such, then the DNA could be warn down by the constant occurence and abuse. And then wierd Radiation from the moon that we can't explain comes into play, and suddenly the DNA goes KABLOOIE. It reforms on any other present mapping avalible, like wolf DNA for example. this could also explain why there are so many reports of werecreatures around the world, because all kinds of genetic material can be used. the only problem with this theory is that Transformation time would be over two hours in direct moonlight, and knife-in-every-square-inch-of-skin painful. like death-to-people-with-heart-conditions painful. Uh, you do know how far fetched that would be? DNA is one of the most chemically inactive molecules in the human body. If radiation, disease or any other such thing was able to change the structure of DNA, it would be so strong the rest of the body would be completely dead before any sort of change of DNA could occur. Then you are neglecting the fact that proteins are more responsible for genetics and human construction than DNA ever was. Don't you think the Human Genome Project would have found something which makes humans if they were that fundamentally vital? But they didn't. Which is why they are now examining proteins, which have at least three to four times as many varieties as DNA does codes (which is approximately 3 billion). If shapeshifters DO exist, which, let's face it, is highly unlikely on the scale of little men becoming big animals, then it's not gonna be down to something like DNA or genetics. Quote: seriously. I'm not saying the theory is practical, but only possible. not to mention, that there are some mentions in the story about transformation killing. ^^; it would take such tremendous energy, even gaining animalistic characteristics, that anyone smaller or less robust than most, would die of overexertion. Did i mention that it would take a LOOOOONG time? the human genome project is not above reproach true it is a remarkable acheivement but do you believe that this was the only research done on the subject of human genitics think drug companies --- enough said human transformation requires a humoungous amount of calories a steady supply of calcium, protien, and all other essential vitamins. the reversal, could burn the bodies own flesh for energy and the subject would have weak bones due to a rapid case of osteropourousis (sry cnt spll it) wast management would be overidden and the subject would be in constant *ahem*...need to... *ahem* relieve himself note: she dont feel like daisys this b***h hurts provided that you live and here is how part of it works unballanced rapid hypertrichosys and over stimulation of the adrenal glands
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:14 pm
fishingninjawolf Blind Guardian the 2nd noblelyon I do believe it's possible, mainly because i regularly deal with unexplained occurances. My favorite being full-moon paranoia (*** i can't spell today). On the full moon, the hospital gets an average of 60% more casualties and 30% more fatalities than normal. (scientifically proven) I have a theory... If you have a constant of DNA... AATGAATGCAACT (used for generalized purposes) and you have a life close to radioactivity... like in a nuclear power plant or such, then the DNA could be warn down by the constant occurence and abuse. And then wierd Radiation from the moon that we can't explain comes into play, and suddenly the DNA goes KABLOOIE. It reforms on any other present mapping avalible, like wolf DNA for example. this could also explain why there are so many reports of werecreatures around the world, because all kinds of genetic material can be used. the only problem with this theory is that Transformation time would be over two hours in direct moonlight, and knife-in-every-square-inch-of-skin painful. like death-to-people-with-heart-conditions painful. Uh, you do know how far fetched that would be? DNA is one of the most chemically inactive molecules in the human body. If radiation, disease or any other such thing was able to change the structure of DNA, it would be so strong the rest of the body would be completely dead before any sort of change of DNA could occur. Then you are neglecting the fact that proteins are more responsible for genetics and human construction than DNA ever was. Don't you think the Human Genome Project would have found something which makes humans if they were that fundamentally vital? But they didn't. Which is why they are now examining proteins, which have at least three to four times as many varieties as DNA does codes (which is approximately 3 billion). If shapeshifters DO exist, which, let's face it, is highly unlikely on the scale of little men becoming big animals, then it's not gonna be down to something like DNA or genetics. Quote: seriously. I'm not saying the theory is practical, but only possible. not to mention, that there are some mentions in the story about transformation killing. ^^; it would take such tremendous energy, even gaining animalistic characteristics, that anyone smaller or less robust than most, would die of overexertion. Did i mention that it would take a LOOOOONG time? the human genome project is not above reproach true it is a remarkable acheivement but do you believe that this was the only research done on the subject of human genitics think drug companies --- enough said human transformation requires a humoungous amount of calories a steady supply of calcium, protien, and all other essential vitamins. the reversal, could burn the bodies own flesh for energy and the subject would have weak bones due to a rapid case of osteropourousis (sry cnt spll it) wast management would be overidden and the subject would be in constant *ahem*...need to... *ahem* relieve himself note: she dont feel like daisys this b***h hurts provided that you live and here is how part of it works unballanced rapid hypertrichosys and over stimulation of the adrenal glands Sorry, but I can't understand a word you said. neutral
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:48 am
What I have to say about werekin: I'd believe it if I saw it. I'm love giving people the benefit of the doubt with most things, but if I'm on the internet, I hear all about these werekin. The way so many claim to be werekin, I'm surprised I don't bump into them all the time in everyday life. None of my friends are werekin, I've never seen any. Plus, there are so many different ideas of werekin...I've asked of many people what a werewolf and such really is and gotten totally different answers.
I'm not trying to offend anyone about this, but that's how I got to my conclusion they don't exist.
I do believe it is possible to shape-shift though. I don't know anyone who can, but I think of it as a mix between chemistry and telekinetics...possible, but extremely complicated.
This might be kind of going off topic, but I figure it's somewhat related. Vampires. I don't believe in people with fangs who burn in the sun and drink blood. I do believe in psychic vampires though, who suck the energies from a being. I'm not going to delve into that...
...anway, think I'm finished here. wink
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:46 am
AstralMagick This might be kind of going off topic, but I figure it's somewhat related. Vampires. I don't believe in people with fangs who burn in the sun and drink blood. I do believe in psychic vampires though, who suck the energies from a being. I'm not going to delve into that... ...anway, think I'm finished here. wink To continue the off-topic-ness XD The energy a psychic vampire drains comes from the blood, so a sanguine vampire who drinks blood for the energy is just getting it in an unfiltered, physical source. So it's really no different XD.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:25 am
there are no werewolves. I imagine shapeshifting is possible, though likely highly painful, but there are no werewolves. there are, however, wolf therians.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:57 am
[BlkCat] To continue the off-topic-ness XD The energy a psychic vampire drains comes from the blood, so a sanguine vampire who drinks blood for the energy is just getting it in an unfiltered, physical source. So it's really no different XD. well, to me there is a difference. What I'm saying is that there aren't any who act on their vampirism by drinking blood. Many don't even know they're a vampire.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:58 am
DR490N there are no werewolves. I imagine shapeshifting is possible, though likely highly painful, but there are no werewolves. there are, however, wolf therians. What would a wolf therian be?
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:14 pm
AstralMagick [BlkCat] To continue the off-topic-ness XD The energy a psychic vampire drains comes from the blood, so a sanguine vampire who drinks blood for the energy is just getting it in an unfiltered, physical source. So it's really no different XD. well, to me there is a difference. What I'm saying is that there aren't any who act on their vampirism by drinking blood. Many don't even know they're a vampire. Actually there are, there are plenty. I don't suffer from Vampirism but even I've drank blood for the taste and small boost of energy from my friend Sierra before. AstralMagick DR490N there are no werewolves. I imagine shapeshifting is possible, though likely highly painful, but there are no werewolves. there are, however, wolf therians. What would a wolf therian be? A wolf therian is a human body with a wolf's soul.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:26 pm
AstralMagick What I have to say about werekin: I'd believe it if I saw it. I'm love giving people the benefit of the doubt with most things, but if I'm on the internet, I hear all about these werekin. The way so many claim to be werekin, I'm surprised I don't bump into them all the time in everyday life. None of my friends are werekin, I've never seen any. Plus, there are so many different ideas of werekin...I've asked of many people what a werewolf and such really is and gotten totally different answers.I'm not trying to offend anyone about this, but that's how I got to my conclusion they don't exist. I do believe it is possible to shape-shift though. I don't know anyone who can, but I think of it as a mix between chemistry and telekinetics...possible, but extremely complicated.This might be kind of going off topic, but I figure it's somewhat related. Vampires. I don't believe in people with fangs who burn in the sun and drink blood. I do believe in psychic vampires though, who suck the energies from a being. I'm not going to delve into that...
...anway, think I'm finished here. wink Welcome to the fun of internet spirituality and other similar items. Everyone has the claims of power without the evidence and completely differing views concerning categorisation. Shapeshifting would have to be on a biochemical level, and a nigh impossible one at that. I'll believe in them when I meet one who can prove themselves. I am actually thinking of making interviews with "vampires" my dissertation for my degree. So when the time comes, if anyone is interested, let me know. wink
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:44 pm
DR490N there are no werewolves. I imagine shapeshifting is possible, though likely highly painful, but there are no werewolves. there are, however, wolf therians.
Even if not, I do feel the possibility to be considered. What I do not think is there are any true, real movie-esce werewolves on our tiny sheltered world of the internet. Out in the soulless forgotten backwoods of Old Europe and Russia, I would consider it a tad more likely. Of course, almost any possibility becomes certainty in an infinite universe with infinite planes. I'd feel like that was cheating in this case, though. So I am gonna go on a limb and say I think there is a possible, non-miniscule chance that something that we'd call a werewolf exists somewhere on the planet Earth.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:32 am
.-  -.
Personally I think that shapeshifting that is mostly strength of will -is- possible. Putting on furs, sinking into another mind frame, believing in something so deeply that nothing can shake you from the roots your mind has taken.
Small children are commonly seen pretending to be animals. An arm for the trunk of an elephant, howling, meowing, barking. Parents take it as a phase, and when they get 'too old for that' they're weaned off it. What about those, like me who've never been weaned off the idea? I prowl on all fours, I get distinct urges to pounce things that move. The Idea of becoming an animal is as natural for me as it is to learn to walk.
Personally, I'm more connected with felines, and wolves. When you watch me you can see things from animals incorporated into what I do. I'll lick my fangs when I see someone/thing tasty. I've been known to let off an unearthly growl. When moving I slip into a digigrade position, hunch forward and -prowl-.
So does it matter what the body looks like as long as you feel you've completely changed? Can shifting your shape in your mind be as potent as actually changing your flesh? Is that what happens with body modification? How about people with fursuits? If someone actually changed their body structure through surgery, and costuming, would they be considered a shapeshifter?
Then again, if everything is made of everything, and all in infinity, and I'm allowed to go darting into philosophy... Are we limited only by the perceptions of our minds? Could we change things if we all believed something the same way? Good Lord imagine the power of harnessing everyone's belief. If Everyone just, no, not belief. No. If everyone -knew- something like it was a fact of life could that change something? "The sky is blue!" was it bluer before people started to wonder if it really was blue?
BUT Back to the topic. Anyone ever hear of those kids in California? They have a clinical case of something that causes people to call them werewolves. Basically they grow fur everywhere. I do mean everywhere, arms, legs, cheeks, the entire face. Back of the spleeen... Kay maybe not but... Could they have been a not so much throwback, as a genetically altered, or mutative being? Having seen them around, could something like that have existed in the elder days, and people just considered them wolves?
Ah, so much speculation! So many thoughts that could traveled, and questions that aren't answered. After all it's not like anything like this has ever been properly explored. Nothing is exactly -right-. It is merely what has worked so far. If you have something new or different, it's not that you're different, weird, or bad, it's that lo and behold we haven't heard of that yet. Let's find out more. O_O;
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*Shushes.*
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:48 am
Cat Silver .- -.
Personally I think that shapeshifting that is mostly strength of will -is- possible. Putting on furs, sinking into another mind frame, believing in something so deeply that nothing can shake you from the roots your mind has taken.
Small children are commonly seen pretending to be animals. An arm for the trunk of an elephant, howling, meowing, barking. Parents take it as a phase, and when they get 'too old for that' they're weaned off it. What about those, like me who've never been weaned off the idea? I prowl on all fours, I get distinct urges to pounce things that move. The Idea of becoming an animal is as natural for me as it is to learn to walk.
Personally, I'm more connected with felines, and wolves. When you watch me you can see things from animals incorporated into what I do. I'll lick my fangs when I see someone/thing tasty. I've been known to let off an unearthly growl. When moving I slip into a digigrade position, hunch forward and -prowl-.
So does it matter what the body looks like as long as you feel you've completely changed? Can shifting your shape in your mind be as potent as actually changing your flesh? Is that what happens with body modification? How about people with fursuits? If someone actually changed their body structure through surgery, and costuming, would they be considered a shapeshifter?
Then again, if everything is made of everything, and all in infinity, and I'm allowed to go darting into philosophy... Are we limited only by the perceptions of our minds? Could we change things if we all believed something the same way? Good Lord imagine the power of harnessing everyone's belief. If Everyone just, no, not belief. No. If everyone -knew- something like it was a fact of life could that change something? "The sky is blue!" was it bluer before people started to wonder if it really was blue?
BUT Back to the topic. Anyone ever hear of those kids in California? They have a clinical case of something that causes people to call them werewolves. Basically they grow fur everywhere. I do mean everywhere, arms, legs, cheeks, the entire face. Back of the spleeen... Kay maybe not but... Could they have been a not so much throwback, as a genetically altered, or mutative being? Having seen them around, could something like that have existed in the elder days, and people just considered them wolves?
Ah, so much speculation! So many thoughts that could traveled, and questions that aren't answered. After all it's not like anything like this has ever been properly explored. Nothing is exactly -right-. It is merely what has worked so far. If you have something new or different, it's not that you're different, weird, or bad, it's that lo and behold we haven't heard of that yet. Let's find out more. O_O;
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*Shushes.*Of course it could be considered shifting, part would be mental shifting. However the part about fursuits and makeup, isn't technically shifting, it's like putting on a mask, you're not changing the face, you're merely covering it. As for actual, literal, physical shifting...It would require the following: Extensive if not absolutely perfect understanding of the entire human body down to the very atoms and DNA. Immense amounts of energy and concentration to be able to control and move all of these atoms, and shift the very DNA. And pray you can survive the shock it would send your body into, and if you're shifting any area that would include vital organs, well...basically you're ******** because you wont be able to handle the lack of them for the time it would take to shift. Not only that, but you would have to endure the pain of every single nerve in that area of your body (or your entire body even) being ripped from place and rerouted, try concentrating during that XD. In the end, in reality, unless you're some materialized god (and no I don't mean incarnated deity, I mean actually becoming physical and bypassing the birthing phase which is impossible now anyway), you wont be able to physical shift, ever.
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