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El_Caballote316

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:08 pm


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316

I mean after Hous of M The fact that the Miletary consider Mutants ''Military reasource'' and dude the Sentinals where created to kill mutants from day one they would make them regaredless what Mageneto would have done.

and You forget the good magneto has done like Freeying the Mutants from Gensha and turned that Mutantan hating country into a mutant Utopia....cassandra did what she did...


Great he freed mutants with that said you're over looking what Magneto stands for, Mutant Suprimacy...

Just to clearify the 16 million mutants killed at Genosha because of the Super-Sentinals, Cassandre Nova was a mummudrai (a parasitic life form born bodiless on the astral plane bent on destruction and genocide) not a human...

Alright lets go down the list of Sentinals in the main marvel univers shall we?

arrow Mark II - Created by Larry Trask (A Mutant Continueing the Government project to Protect Humanity from unlawful mutants)
arrow Mark III - Created by Stephen Lang (anti-mutant) none governemt project was secretly funded by Edward Buckman a.k.a. The mutant villan Black Night of the Hell Fire Club ( A secret mutant organisation who try to influence world events for the accumulation of power.)
arrow Mark IV - Created by Sebastian Shaw
arrow Mark V - Created by Sebastian Shaw
arrow Mark VI - Created by Shaw Industries (as in Sabastian Shaw). Used by Onslaught (mutant villian).
arrow Mark VII - Created by Shaw Industries
arrow Project Nimrod - It was cancelled before production began.
arrow Prime Sentinels - Created by Bastion (A Fusion of the Sentinels Master Mold and Nimrod.) handicapped humans equipped with nanotechnology without their knowledge at Prospero Clinic, used as sleeper agents until activated by attack or presence of a mutant.
arrow Omega Prime Sentinels - Bastion's second generation of Prime Sentinels.
arrow Wild Sentinels - Built in secret at Master Mold (regenerated it's self since it's failed attempt to enslave humanity) in Ecuador, The Wild Sentinels where used by Cassandra Nova. She used the Sentinels to destroy Genosha, and nonsentinels.
arrow Sentinel Squad O*N*E- designed by Stark Enterprises. Unlike other Sentinels, the Squad O*N*E requires a human pilot.
arrow Nimrod - Activated by Reverend William Stryker (He beleive Mutants are the work of Satan). Due to his ex-millitarty backround he was able to pull enough strings to procure the Nimrod proto-type.

Now with the Sentinals named which ones where created by the government that represented humanity as a whole to seek and destroy mutants?



Well for what ive read Square one arent exacly pro mutants hell there attacking them in Civil war.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:21 pm


El_Caballote316

Well for what ive read Square one arent exacly pro mutants hell there attacking them in Civil war.


Well lets step back a moment and ask our selves why the mutant hateing pilots in sentinal squad O*N*E (Protecting the Xavier Estate from attack) engaged the innocent mutants...

As you know since you've read civil war, Mutants where given the opertunity to go to the Xavier Estate as a means of sacuarey to be protected from the registration act... while at the Estate they where given food and shelter... However the catch was that if you accepted the offer you could not leave the Xavier Estate untill the "civil war" so to say has ended. A group of mutants under the care of the X-Men calling thierselves The 198 rebelled against the shelter with the aid of Domino and Shatterstar.

Now with that happening as we astablished Squad O*N*E was placed at the Estate to protect the mutants in case any enemies used this low point as an opportunity to attack them at their weakest, and also to stop the mutants in the event of a revolution and to put it simply The 198 where revolting hence Squad O*N*E engaged them the best they could makeing an effort not to harm any mutants who where not part of The 198... so now that we stepped back and looked at the whole situation instead of a single aspect of it Squad O*N*E was not acting out anti-mutant agression with the intent of capturing all mutants dead or alive...

DestineChaos

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DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:35 pm


Quick note... I forgot to say that Sebastian Shaw is also a member of the Hell Fire Club which I already explained was a group of mutants trying to amass power...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:22 pm


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316

Well for what ive read Square one arent exacly pro mutants hell there attacking them in Civil war.


Well lets step back a moment and ask our selves why the mutant hateing pilots in sentinal squad O*N*E (Protecting the Xavier Estate from attack) engaged the innocent mutants...

As you know since you've read civil war, Mutants where given the opertunity to go to the Xavier Estate as a means of sacuarey to be protected from the registration act... while at the Estate they where given food and shelter... However the catch was that if you accepted the offer you could not leave the Xavier Estate untill the "civil war" so to say has ended. A group of mutants under the care of the X-Men calling thierselves The 198 rebelled against the shelter with the aid of Domino and Shatterstar.

Now with that happening as we astablished Squad O*N*E was placed at the Estate to protect the mutants in case any enemies used this low point as an opportunity to attack them at their weakest, and also to stop the mutants in the event of a revolution and to put it simply The 198 where revolting hence Squad O*N*E engaged them the best they could makeing an effort not to harm any mutants who where not part of The 198... so now that we stepped back and looked at the whole situation instead of a single aspect of it Squad O*N*E was not acting out anti-mutant agression with the intent of capturing all mutants dead or alive...


True. But you have to understand the fact that the goverment considers the 198 ''miletary resource'' has me skeptical.

El_Caballote316


DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:13 pm


El_Caballote316

True. But you have to understand the fact that the goverment considers the 198 ''miletary resource'' has me skeptical.


So you're telling me that haveing mutants in the millitary being used as an ace up our sleeve for a tactical advantage would be a bad thing. Given the mutant joined the millitary of thier own free will and all that jaz of course?

Also there are other aplications besides millitary that mutants can be used for... I mean what would happen if Wolverine donated blood to a major phamasutical corperation?... They could very well cure cancer, regrow limbs and give people who are bound to wheel chairs the ability to walk again...
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:08 am


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316

True. But you have to understand the fact that the goverment considers the 198 ''miletary resource'' has me skeptical.


So you're telling me that haveing mutants in the millitary being used as an ace up our sleeve for a tactical advantage would be a bad thing. Given the mutant joined the millitary of thier own free will and all that jaz of course?

Also there are other aplications besides millitary that mutants can be used for... I mean what would happen if Wolverine donated blood to a major phamasutical corperation?... They could very well cure cancer, regrow limbs and give people who are bound to wheel chairs the ability to walk again...


ahem ''Miletary resource'' means that they consider Mutants living wepons of mad destruction and goverment slaves...there too busy trying to figure out how Wolverine should kill other world leaders then use him as cure for cancer this is the US goverment after all...oh and not all of them join under their own free will.


Let me put it this way if hispanic and black where ''miletary resource'' youd think thats a good thing?

harsh i know but remember Mutans are a race too.

El_Caballote316


DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:23 am


El_Caballote316


ahem ''Miletary resource'' means that they consider Mutants living wepons of mad destruction and goverment slaves...there too busy trying to figure out how Wolverine should kill other world leaders then use him as cure for cancer this is the US goverment after all...oh and not all of them join under their own free will.


Let me put it this way if hispanic and black where ''miletary resource'' youd think thats a good thing?

harsh i know but remember Mutans are a race too.


There you are generalizing agian. Military resources are not excusivly weapons. A military resource is something that can be used to support or help the military. You know like human solders, jeeps, flashlighs, k-rations. The m&m's inside the k-rations (I don't rightly think m&m's are being used as WMD's by the military)...

The military isn't going to place it's best weapon and strategic advantage on the front lines, Unlike basic human solders, mutants aren't a renewable resouce. I can imagin that the minimum time served by a mutant might be slightly longer than a human but they are more valuble than a human solder...

At the time Wolverine was being used to kill people, He was part of a black spec ops team that he joined of his free will and did every mission with other mutants who joined the weapon X program of their free will.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:58 am


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316


ahem ''Miletary resource'' means that they consider Mutants living wepons of mad destruction and goverment slaves...there too busy trying to figure out how Wolverine should kill other world leaders then use him as cure for cancer this is the US goverment after all...oh and not all of them join under their own free will.


Let me put it this way if hispanic and black where ''miletary resource'' youd think thats a good thing?

harsh i know but remember Mutans are a race too.


There you are generalizing agian. Military resources are not excusivly weapons. A military resource is something that can be used to support or help the military. You know like human solders, jeeps, flashlighs, k-rations. The m&m's inside the k-rations (I don't rightly think m&m's are being used as WMD's by the military)...

The military isn't going to place it's best weapon and strategic advantage on the front lines, Unlike basic human solders, mutants aren't a renewable resouce. I can imagin that the minimum time served by a mutant might be slightly longer than a human but they are more valuble than a human solder...

At the time Wolverine was being used to kill people, He was part of a black spec ops team that he joined of his free will and did every mission with other mutants who joined the weapon X program of their free will.



You miss my point completely .Mutants are Living being yet the Goverment uses them as wepons. So your saying your ok with a mutant being born to the world and knowing the only thing he will be is a wepon to the miletary your ok the espirement on Mutants just for benifit of humans you ok with sacrifising Mutant lives for that of humans

And i generiles becouse the Goverment infact are all assholes looking for more money and the next Atomic bomb.


again what you saying is no diferent then saying that we should sacrifice Hispanics and blacks for the sake of white people

and dont get mad at me saying i shouldnt bring race into this becouse Mutant in the comics are a race too

El_Caballote316


DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:49 am


El_Caballote316
DestineChaos


The military isn't going to place it's best weapon and strategic advantage on the front lines, Unlike basic human solders, mutants aren't a renewable resouce. I can imagin that the minimum time served by a mutant might be slightly longer than a human but they are more valuble than a human solder...



1) You miss my point completely .Mutants are Living being yet the Goverment uses them as wepons. So your saying your ok with a mutant being born to the world and knowing the only thing he will be is a wepon to the miletary your ok the espirement on Mutants just for benifit of humans you ok with sacrifising Mutant lives for that of humans

2) And i generiles becouse the Goverment infact are all assholes looking for more money and the next Atomic bomb.


3) again what you saying is no diferent then saying that we should sacrifice Hispanics and blacks for the sake of white people

4) and dont get mad at me saying i shouldnt bring race into this becouse Mutant in the comics are a race too


I'm not missing you're point, you're just looking at everying from a very nerrow POV. Spinning it in any direction that make the entire human race look like evil mutant hateing SOBs. With that said...

The millitary already used mutants once it was called Weapon X. Weapon X was secretly funded by the US government, which turned willing mutants into living weapons. The project often mutants and experiments on them (The mutants who are okay with it) to enhance their abilities and also mutates baseline humans (make humans into mutants).

1) I am for mutants joining the army and useing their abilities to be more last min. peace keepers before any blood is lost in a war, to lower the cassualty rate and if their ability would benifit the rag tag solder: I am for expirimentation on them with the mutants consent...

I mean imagine if magneto was brought to a battle feild in an armored ground vehicle covered by ground infantry... He could detinating any explosives and disarming the enemy causeing and imidiate surrender, Ending the war before it ever happens...

Putting some mutants in CQC situtaions instead of humans like collossus, juggernat or wolverine could prevent the unnsessary loss of human or mutant life since bullets or retaliation wont slow thier stride and they are able to handle that...

If collossus would give a skin sample and blood sample maybe subit himself to testing. They may come up with a way to create a next generation body armor that could protect exposed joints and the face, you know places where they are vulnerable...

2) The government isn't looking for the next atomic bomb, The millitary is. Blowing up random countries with out takeing a nonviolent approach is just bad pollitics...

3) I beleive in the post before I told you that they wouldn't put thier most valuble 1 in 3.2 thousand possable asset in harms way (on the front lines) and risk loosing it for ever. Hence I said they would be putting the white folks in front of the hispanics and blacks...

4) I'm not mad, a little amussed, but I'm not going to be nit pickly and point out that mutants aren't a race. They aren't differant due to an ethnical back round. They are a differant species all togeather. Genetically differant than humans...

By the way I think I'm going to throw a little double standered reason like you and ask, If you have a problem with the weaponisation of mutants with thier concent you must also have a problem with the Xavior Insitute or more spacifically the X-Men... I mean they are a group of mutants that have been weaponized and unlike the mutants in the army they are unchecked... also what about The Brother Hood? If 'raceism' is the bigger issue to you, then you're pointing out that you don't agree with the brother hood since they are more racist than the entire human race put togeather...

Also you are forgetting that in Civil War mutants are protected from the regestration act that is being passed into law, which forces the superhuman comunity to regester who they are and what their powers are. The government is makeing an effort to over look the mutants who have the potential to be weapons or not...
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:12 am


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316
DestineChaos


The military isn't going to place it's best weapon and strategic advantage on the front lines, Unlike basic human solders, mutants aren't a renewable resouce. I can imagin that the minimum time served by a mutant might be slightly longer than a human but they are more valuble than a human solder...



1) You miss my point completely .Mutants are Living being yet the Goverment uses them as wepons. So your saying your ok with a mutant being born to the world and knowing the only thing he will be is a wepon to the miletary your ok the espirement on Mutants just for benifit of humans you ok with sacrifising Mutant lives for that of humans

2) And i generiles becouse the Goverment infact are all assholes looking for more money and the next Atomic bomb.


3) again what you saying is no diferent then saying that we should sacrifice Hispanics and blacks for the sake of white people

4) and dont get mad at me saying i shouldnt bring race into this becouse Mutant in the comics are a race too


I'm not missing you're point, you're just looking at everying from a very nerrow POV. Spinning it in any direction that make the entire human race look like evil mutant hateing SOBs. With that said...

The millitary already used mutants once it was called Weapon X. Weapon X was secretly funded by the US government, which turned willing mutants into living weapons. The project often mutants and experiments on them (The mutants who are okay with it) to enhance their abilities and also mutates baseline humans (make humans into mutants).

1) I am for mutants joining the army and useing their abilities to be more last min. peace keepers before any blood is lost in a war, to lower the cassualty rate and if their ability would benifit the rag tag solder: I am for expirimentation on them with the mutants consent...

I mean imagine if magneto was brought to a battle feild in an armored ground vehicle covered by ground infantry... He could detinating any explosives and disarming the enemy causeing and imidiate surrender, Ending the war before it ever happens...

Putting some mutants in CQC situtaions instead of humans like collossus, juggernat or wolverine could prevent the unnsessary loss of human or mutant life since bullets or retaliation wont slow thier stride and they are able to handle that...

If collossus would give a skin sample and blood sample maybe subit himself to testing. They may come up with a way to create a next generation body armor that could protect exposed joints and the face, you know places where they are vulnerable...

2) The government isn't looking for the next atomic bomb, The millitary is. Blowing up random countries with out takeing a nonviolent approach is just bad pollitics...

3) I beleive in the post before I told you that they wouldn't put thier most valuble 1 in 3.2 thousand possable asset in harms way (on the front lines) and risk loosing it for ever. Hence I said they would be putting the white folks in front of the hispanics and blacks...

4) I'm not mad, a little amussed, but I'm not going to be nit pickly and point out that mutants aren't a race. They aren't differant due to an ethnical back round. They are a differant species all togeather. Genetically differant than humans...

By the way I think I'm going to throw a little double standered reason like you and ask, If you have a problem with the weaponisation of mutants with thier concent you must also have a problem with the Xavior Insitute or more spacifically the X-Men... I mean they are a group of mutants that have been weaponized and unlike the mutants in the army they are unchecked... also what about The Brother Hood? If 'raceism' is the bigger issue to you, then you're pointing out that you don't agree with the brother hood since they are more racist than the entire human race put togeather...

Also you are forgetting that in Civil War mutants are protected from the regestration act that is being passed into law, which forces the superhuman comunity to regester who they are and what their powers are. The government is makeing an effort to over look the mutants who have the potential to be weapons or not...



Before i reply to every thing else id like to point out Wepon X.Wepon X did horrible thing erasing Wolverines mine for intance...

id make a bigger argument but im late for class i'll give full detail later.

El_Caballote316


DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:18 pm


El_Caballote316


Before i reply to every thing else id like to point out Wepon X.Wepon X did horrible thing erasing Wolverines mine for intance...

id make a bigger argument but im late for class i'll give full detail later.


Wolverine's memories weren't "erased" on purpose. Think of it this way, you know when some people suffer a tramatic expirance. they may loose small parts of thier short term memory, forget the tramatic expirance, forget who they are or even slip into an acoma for a number of years... Wolverine had a tramatic expirance. He had solid bars of adamantium pushed through his skin and fused into his bones. Now I've never had that happen to me, but I'd imagin that would be a pretty tramatizing expireance, even if I had the ability to regenerate damaged cells...

Also Weapon X was part of a bigger program called Weapons Plus that used their researchto created Project: Rebirth... You'll probubly know the only existing "proto-type" of Project: Rebirth by name: Captain America... So to hate Weapon X is to hate Captain America ( one of the most morally boud heros in existants )... You hate Captain America?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:32 pm


DestineChaos
El_Caballote316


Before i reply to every thing else id like to point out Wepon X.Wepon X did horrible thing erasing Wolverines mine for intance...

id make a bigger argument but im late for class i'll give full detail later.


Wolverine's memories weren't "erased" on purpose. Think of it this way, you know when some people suffer a tramatic expirance. they may loose small parts of thier short term memory, forget the tramatic expirance, forget who they are or even slip into an acoma for a number of years... Wolverine had a tramatic expirance. He had solid bars of adamantium pushed through his skin and fused into his bones. Now I've never had that happen to me, but I'd imagin that would be a pretty tramatizing expireance, even if I had the ability to regenerate damaged cells...

Also Weapon X was part of a bigger program called Weapons Plus that used their researchto created Project: Rebirth... You'll probubly know the only existing "proto-type" of Project: Rebirth by name: Captain America... So to hate Weapon X is to hate Captain America ( one of the most morally boud heros in existants )... You hate Captain America?



Well actualy yeah becouse what they did to the Real Captain American the one Before Steve Rogers you know Bradly the Black Captain America.

Also Wepon X did Brainwash Woverine this has been establish alot in the X-men comics even people from Wepon X have said it. and Nick Fury are you calling Nick freaking Fury a liar?

also Look what happend to Deadpool he was left scared and horribly difigured.

and dont forget what they done to Sauron.

El_Caballote316


DestineChaos

Dangerous Lunatic

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:35 pm


El_Caballote316


Well actualy yeah becouse what they did to the Real Captain American the one Before Steve Rogers you know Bradly the Black Captain America.

Also Wepon X did Brainwash Woverine this has been establish alot in the X-men comics even people from Wepon X have said it. and Nick Fury are you calling Nick freaking Fury a liar?

also Look what happend to Deadpool he was left scared and horribly difigured.

and dont forget what they done to Sauron.


Yeah Isaiah Bradley (Who can forget Truth:Red White & Black), The only black solder out of the three to survived the testing prosedure to become a super solder. He later stole the costume intended for Captain America and engaged in a self-directed suicide mission to destroy the Super-Soldier efforts of the Nazis at the Schwarzebitte concentration camp. The mission ended when he was captured by the Nazis. I forget why he was court-martialed, but during that time the government attempted to use his altered DNA to create another Super-Soldier that was more or less a genetic clone of Isaiah going by Josiah X or Justice X who faught in Vietnam...

Karl Lykos was a powerless human until he would turn into his alter ego Sauron (A Taradacyll like creature with the ability to drain life force). He joined the Weapon X program in hopes of preventing his transformation into Saron for the remander of his life time and gaining controle of his lated ability. Weapon X succeeded at guaranteeing Karl would have his lated abilities in both human and his prehistoric form. However the operation to supress the Sauron failed and merged Sauron's personality with that Karl's (Creating the equivolent of the modern day Hulk, Bruice Banners smartness in The Hulks body)

Deadpool was formerly a government special operative who had developed terminal cancer. He volunteered for the Weapon X program, where he was mutagenically altered. This process was supposed to grant him a superhuman regenerative healing factor allegedly based on the DNA of the mutant Wolverine, stopping the progression of his cancer and greatly enhancing his physique. However, the cancer interacted with the mutagenic process in unanticipated ways; the process initially failed, disfigured him horribly and made him mentally unstable...

Keep in mind Deadpool and Kyle where more or less human before they joined Weapon X... However the fact that they wanted to try a proceture on three black solders before they tried in on a white one I don't agree with, however they where humans and not mutants...
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