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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:56 am
Anonymooo Due to a request from one of the participants, this match is on hold due to a dispute. FightSince neither participant made a thread for the dispute, I'm doing it. Now someone please post the dispute, then both of you please resolve the dispute, or else I'm going to put an end to that fight despite the dispute. mrgreen This is endgame.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:51 pm
Arch used a magical technique which he claimed would have a cancellation effect on the area, but Tinanitico had shielded herself at the time with an antimagic field. The interactions of magic-destroying magics are very complicated, but under my mechanics, an established antimagic field negates free-cast antimagic magic entering it, and alternate antimagic techniques such as strong runic-based antimagic or nonmagic antimagic must be used to destroy existing antimagic fields; nevertheless, for the sake of avoiding arguement, I settled for more or less a mutual cancellation in which my antimagic field was destroyed, but the effect of his technique upon Tinanitico was almost completely negated. He also posted that his technique had flooded the entire arena with almost suffocating amounts of pure mana.
Tinanitico then began to simply drain the mana from the surrounding air; because of the high concentration of pure mana, she could do so at a very rapid rate, doubling or even tripling her charge amounts (as she had been charging for several posts already). As she did so, Arch prepared to make another attack, and that is when Tinanitico struck.
Several posts before all this, a cloud of dust had begun to move on its own and take shape behind Arch; unknown to Arch, Tinanitico has the ability to shape extra bodies from dust and control them as if they were her own, dividing her energy between herself and them; she can also switch between bodies, making a secondary her main and her main a secondary. This body had been formed and made a primary body, to hide behind Arch and attack him in the back when he left himself open while fighting the original and now-secondary body. Not long before then, the dust had dropped into a chasm which had been formed in an earlier exchange of attacks so that Arch would not see it reform into a complete body and start actively drawing in energy (I made several allusions to this even after it was out of Arch's sight, such as her "contracting energy between two focuses" as she created the antimagic area, and drawing in mana around her "primary physical body").
Then Arch performed an attack, and Tinanitico smoked him in the back with a beam five feet wide with inconsistent strength (she had been charging for three posts, plus she had two to five extra posts worth of charge from all the mana she took in). I don't really remember what his contentions are, so you'll have to PM him to get him in here; I don't particularly mind winning that battle by time-out if need be, it's damned annoying because he doesn't understand anything; even after a bit of PM debate, he still doesn't get anything related to the second-body plan. Even OOCly, he never noticed the dust cloud or anything.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:13 pm
Binatica Arch used a magical technique which he claimed would have a cancellation effect on the area, but Tinanitico had shielded herself at the time with an antimagic field. The interactions of magic-destroying magics are very complicated, but under my mechanics, an established antimagic field negates free-cast antimagic magic entering it, and alternate antimagic techniques such as strong runic-based antimagic or nonmagic antimagic must be used to destroy existing antimagic fields; nevertheless, for the sake of avoiding arguement, I settled for more or less a mutual cancellation in which my antimagic field was destroyed, but the effect of his technique upon Tinanitico was almost completely negated. He also posted that his technique had flooded the entire arena with almost suffocating amounts of pure mana. Tinanitico then began to simply drain the mana from the surrounding air; because of the high concentration of pure mana, she could do so at a very rapid rate, doubling or even tripling her charge amounts (as she had been charging for several posts already). As she did so, Arch prepared to make another attack, and that is when Tinanitico struck. Up until here, this all makes perfect sense and I have no argument or contention with the events stated here, if they occured as you described them. It all seems on the up and up. However, as we move down: Quote: Several posts before all this, a cloud of dust had begun to move on its own and take shape behind Arch; unknown to Arch, Tinanitico has the ability to shape extra bodies from dust and control them as if they were her own, dividing her energy between herself and them; Standard cloning technique that a lot of people seem to employ. Not my favorite technique by far, but it's been ruled as fair game in here so I'll continue to abide by that so long as it doesn't get out of hand. You're still on the up and up. However, as we move down: Quote: she can also switch between bodies, making a secondary her main and her main a secondary. This body had been formed and made a primary body It is at this point that it is no longer a clone creating technique, and is a teleportation technique; which calls for disqualification. Totally not on the up and up. However, I'd rather not resort to calling down a technicality when you're so close to the end of the match anyways... but keep that in mind if you advance. Quote: Not long before then, the dust had dropped into a chasm which had been formed in an earlier exchange of attacks so that Arch would not see it reform into a complete body and start actively drawing in energy (I made several allusions to this even after it was out of Arch's sight, such as her "contracting energy between two focuses" as she created the antimagic area, and drawing in mana around her "primary physical body"). I don't really see how someone surrounded with an anti-magic field can be drawing in mana through this field. It's like saying you're putting on a fully sealed diving suit so you can go get a drink of water. Food for thought. Quote: Then Arch performed an attack, and Tinanitico smoked him in the back with a beam five feet wide with inconsistent strength (she had been charging for three posts, plus she had two to five extra posts worth of charge from all the mana she took in). *points to the above statement* It'd be the same for outgoing energy as well as incoming. Anti-magic is anti-magic, it's not a shield that is there just to negate someone else's magic. All in all, considering the anti-magic field, I'm very heavily leaning towards 'there was no beam, because the anti-magic field ate it'. I'm leaning far, far away from 'Tit is DQed for teleportation', so I'll pretend that you never made that second one the main body. If he kills the first body you're out. If Tit had dropped the field before making the attack, it would get the 3 posts of charge that was initially gained, but would have no extra charge from the mana in the area because of the anti-magic field being in effect and negating any draw. There might be a boost if the first Tit had been gleaning energy and sending it to the second Tit, as you stated that they could share energy... but then we'd have to get into the legality of a spiritual connection THROUGH an area effected by anti-magic. Other than that, I'd have to hear his arguments on it, and I'll PM him to come make a statement in this thread... Any comments/questions/arguments/contentions/so on? Edit: And the PM is sent to arch. If he doesn't respond to it in 3 days time I'm calling the fight in favor of Tit. Edit 2: It occurs to me that the character is Tinanitico or something... and I keep thinking it's Titanitico. Hence, the Tit. However, I like that name, and will continue to use it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:12 pm
You misunderstood things, but I don't blame you as it's pretty complex. I'll produce drawings to better show what was happening.
Oh yeah, and I remember now that when Arch started bitching, it came out that despite the fact that he'd used his desperation move earlier in the match and had been reduced to almost zero power (his post on the 20th of July, direct quote "Though it had saved his life, the technique had spent too much of his chi, to the point where he was dangerously close to death."), when he spontaneously changed forms at the end of that post and the beginning of his next post due to being about to lose, his power apparently got recharged right back up to PAST full. I'd like to see a ruling on this too; the reason I hadn't brought it up earlier is that I had assumed it was simply a short-duration desperation form which would carry out a couple of high-strength attacks then fall.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:24 pm
Pre-Purification  Orange Dot = Tinanitico Orange Curve = Magic Barrier Green = Antimagic field Brown = Ground (chasm not shown because I suck at diagrams) Red = Arch Arch's purification destroyed the antimagic field and the barrier, but lost most of its impact in Tinanitico's direction in the process. Post-Purification  Orange Dot = Tinanitico Blue s**t Everywhere = Mana Blue Arrows = Tinanitico absorbing the Mana (there are more marks on the diagram showing more movement of mana, but that turned out to be irrelevant and thus is not covered in detail here) Red = Arch Brown = Ground u r ded  See "Post-Purification" key, with the following changes: Darker Blue = Arch preparing an attack Orange Line = Tinanitico's energy beam (note: not to scale, I got kinda lazy)
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:32 am
Everything I said in the earlier post stands.
Do more than drawing a picture of what I already commented on.
edit: A quick look back at it shows that with the mistaken use of one word, the meaning can be entirely different.
- The clone was created before the anti magic barrier. - The kaboom that took down the barrier happened afterwards. - Then followed the mana absorbtion. - Then followed all else.
Is this series of events correct? Initially I had read it as the clone was created after the barrier dispersal, and had errected another barrier around itself. In that situation, everything I had said would stand.
If the situation is as I just bullet-pointed, however, and there was no second anti-magic barrier, I have a feeling Arch just got railed.
However, don't forget what I said in regards to the 'primary body'.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:38 am
Yeah, the way you outlined it looks about right.
As for the "primary body" thing, it's merely a matter of semantics. Tinanitico and certain other characters I've entered don't require a body at all and theoretically shouldn't be harmed by the destruction of her body at all; however, for balance's sake, one of the limiters I've placed on them causes significant MP damage to them for HP damage they take, but it's percentage-based, so Tinanitico can spread her being evenly across all bodies (allowing faster "exchange" of energy, but carrying increased risk as attacking any one of the bodies can injure her pretty badly and attacking multiple at once is a serious threat to her life) or consolidate the majority of her being in one body and cut the others off from direct access to her energy reserves (to minimize damage caused by destruction of extra bodies, or other factors, such as when Gelmax's secondary bodies came up against magic-draining spells in his fight against Donald). Attacking any of the bodies will cause her damage - it's just that one's a lot more "vulnerable" than the others, because the more of her energy any particular body has, the more true damage she takes from attacks to that body.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:54 am
Maybe it's just semantics, but when someone can be in two places at once, that bangs up the 'no teleportation' rule.
Toeing the line. I'm just saying to take a step back so you don't go over.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:30 pm
This is off subject and probably a bit unnessasary, but I think that Binatica could practice a bit at being flexible or something..Cause I've seen way to many disputes come up with her in them.
Just an oppinion.
Nobody likes long OOC arguements and matches could go smoother.
Sorry if you take this offensive.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:49 pm
It's because I'm up against a lot of stupid people.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:18 pm
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