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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:05 am
of course civilians die, in every war. and that is why it is bad. should it be a contest between two consenting groups, in a desolate and far away area, where onlythose who wanted to fight could die from it, i would see no problem at all. it is their choice, they can do what they want. children have no choice in where they live. most adults have no choice in which country they live. this is their condemnation, because we are bigger and stronger. when we use infantry, yes, we usually distinguish armed from unarmed. bombs are not so picky.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:07 am
Sadly, the world dosn't work that way.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:29 am
divineseraph of course civilians die, in every war. and that is why it is bad. should it be a contest between two consenting groups, in a desolate and far away area, where onlythose who wanted to fight could die from it, i would see no problem at all. it is their choice, they can do what they want. children have no choice in where they live. most adults have no choice in which country they live. this is their condemnation, because we are bigger and stronger. when we use infantry, yes, we usually distinguish armed from unarmed. bombs are not so picky. You really are so frusteratingly naive. What war has ever happened that way? Are you saying that the revolutionary war, World War II, World War I, and so on and so forth were wrong? We shouldn't have gotten involved? It's easy to say, "Well, war shouldn't happen unless no civilians are involved." Sounds really nice too. But how are you going to make the bad guys follow those rules? They aren't going to just go out to the desert to be fought. In fact, our current enemy uses the fact that we try not to kill civilians; They use civilians as shields.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:37 am
They even dress as civilians and try to blend in. Thats why its so hard to root them out.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:42 pm
i really don't think it was all that necessary.
we should have used our words.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:23 pm
And you think they would have listened?
We were using our words Divine. We were tryign to negotiate eveyr ting we could with Saddam, and we're doign the same with Iran now. We trie dit with germany and japan. You really think we don't use our words before we use our fists? You don't knwo how forighn policy works, you don't knwo how th emilitery works.
You want us to talk (even though we already have) to an enemy that has since declared jihad on weastern society for as back as when Muhamed became a great "prophet." We've been tryign to talk with these kind of muslims since as far back as General Washington and the Barbari pirates.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:45 pm
honestly, i think everyone is just being stupid. just in pretty much the whole world. THEY need to wake up and stop caring that we suck, and WE need to try to suck less. i think it's a fair compromise.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:57 pm
And I think people as niaive as oyu need to open their eyes and realise how much this country DOSN'T. We are a country with the greatest freedoms in the world. We are the most prosperous country on earth. We give our citizens far more rights then any one else has. Even though the seperation of church and state statemesn have been twisted to somehting they arnt, we have the greatest riligious freedom here.
What sucks is not our country, its not our militery, and its not our governments. All of those things are quite glorious in comparison to some of the rest of the world, what sucks is the much of the current peaople in the government (The far left and the far right) we used to be relitivly moderate and were at one time able to agree with some thign on either side. Not now. In many cases its "we can't agree with them becuase they're republicans, simple as that." "we can't agree with them because they're liberlas, simple as that." THATS what sucks.
A fair compromise would be if people like you shut up with all the conspericy theories and spewing out rhetoric and things they don't know and actualy tried to think of what to do abiut these people. THAT would be a fair compromise.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:28 pm
i don't mean in the way of governments and freedoms. i mean in the way of killing people.
why is it that we are never out of a war, let alone ones that actually directly involve us, for more than 10 years? this is not a conspiracy theory, it is a question. why are we always fighting with someone? it's not right, it's not good, and we should cut it out. we should settle our differences through diplomatic meetings, fruit baskets, whatever.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:03 pm
Honestly, do you think the world has ever been completely at peace? For any period of time?
The reason we are never out of a war for more then 10 years is that the world is not perfect, and there are bad people out there.
And your statement about sucking makes my eyes hurt. I don't understand what you are getting at. If you mean that the Arabic nations need to wake up and stop caring that we are at war with them, that's ridiculous because a) Of course they should care, and b) They kill more people outside of war then we do inside of war. If you are talking about France, Germany, Russia, etc, then I don't understand what that has to do with anything. o.O
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:22 pm
divineseraph we should settle our differences through diplomatic meetings, fruit baskets, whatever. Now, lets let Mr. Reality have a say. "We've tried, every single time, it almost never works. Also, America (and most other countries) has a polocy aginast negotiating with terrorist."
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:17 pm
how about nobody fights over anything? what is it all about, anyway? it's about selfish crap. it just needs to stop.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:31 pm
Once again. Mr. Reality would like to say sometihng. "Even though you are right that it is ultimetly selfish, they do not see it as such. In the larger scheme they will continue to fight and spread discord, and we must do somethign abotu it. Fruit baskets won't help us agianst a gorup of people who are convinced they are doing the will of God and that it is ultimetly right to kill any one that disagrees with them.
Fichting against such a thing is in no way selfish. It is selfless to put our own lives on the line to proect and free an oppressed people we owe nothing to."
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:52 pm
divineseraph how about nobody fights over anything? what is it all about, anyway? it's about selfish crap. it just needs to stop. That's a wonderful dream. If the extremist Islamo-fascists paid attention and cared about that sort of idea, then maybe it could happen. We could all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya. But they won't. They haven't, they aren't, and they won't. We have tried diplomacy. It doesn't work.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:37 pm
Although this is somewhat on topic, I suggest either of you create a new topic in the PLG:ED on Pacifism v. War if you want to continue. Personally, I don't care enough about whether I continue this argument or not to start it myself.
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