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 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:29 pm
I am really upset right now, and I just want to know how all my SMART SEXY friends think in terms of art. I am in da' art fourm dicussing art when a see a topic for graffiti art, I think it is amazing work and should be all over the world!!! but people hate it, and ALOT of artist seem to hate it to. I am an artist I resepct all forms of art, I know women who mix their on c** with art and paint with their piss mixed at well. I respect that. But people Just HATE graffiti and it makes me upset because they say it is not an art. What do you guys think?? is it an art form that should have some respect or should everyone who does it be shot??
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:58 pm
Art is an expression of the soul, no matter the form, or the medium. Different types of it, however, are viewed different ways. I can guarantee when you ask someone what they think when they hear art, they'll come up with something relating to the age old easel and paintbrush variety. Some arts get a bad rap, because of the history associated with it.
Example, graffiti art gets bagged because of the many gangs that use the cans to mark their territorry, instead of making intricate art. Hell, there's an abandoned train tunnel near my house I call "The Ghetto Art Exhibit" because of all the amazing artwork sprayed on the walls.
However, for every Krylon masterpiece out there, there's about 100 more crudely sprayed "Azotes 4 life, homie!" or "Crips" on the walls of houses, or side walks. And because of that, graffiti art, and it's ilk, are seen as 'threats to the community' or even as severe as 'a terrorist threat' And to those people I say, "Well if art is wrong, I don't wanna be right"
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:27 am
Thanks you very much for your great input I appreciate that so very much it seems every where else people just like to yell and say it is dog piss!! and thats all they have to say.
Some times on the side of a dumpster I will see a gang scribble with some spray paint, now that isn't really what graffiti art is to me. I think that is where alot of people get mixed up when they hear or see the word graffiti they think of dumpsters and the side of trains with nothing but a scribble of a gang name or name or something. When I see the word graffiti I think of color and line shading and form all the elements that make up art. I am going to be going to San fran today and I will probably see some scribbles and some beautiful work. I know last time I was in San fran alot of artist there were into stencils. On the side walk I saw a steciled makr that had an arrow pointing and said "Fat Lane" I laughed, I say alot of tiny stecils on the side of walls of a tiny little person walking and stuff. I think it is some crazy art revoultion in San Fran. Maybe I will find some more!! weee another adventure!!! wheee!!!
(The real adventure will be me driving there SCARY!!! sweatdrop )
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:10 pm
The problem, as summarized in the opener to Sega's game, Jet Grind Radio:
"Graffitti is an art. However, graffitti as an act of vandalism is a crime."
The thing being, people associate graffitti solely with it as an act of vandalism. Thing being, the giant mural in my former school's dance practice hall certainly isn't vandalism! It's a beautiful, stylized, and complex image, one entirely with well-applied spraypaint.
The definition: Graffiti is the application of media by humans on publicly viewable surfaces. There's lots of things that meet this definition.
You want ugly? Gang tags are sprayed on in maybe fifteen seconds. Sony's PSP graffitti ads are a mockery of the form. Billboards are graffitti of the worst sort.
You want beautiful? See what people do when they actually apply themselves to the form.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:21 pm
3nodding I think billboard ads are horrible too. They destract me when I am driving. AND I have seen ads for drinking while driving to LA!! I was like what..oh yes let me pull over and get one right now then continue my drive! People all over are trying to stop drunk driving and yet they are putting ads up where people DRIVE!! good going huh??
Anywho that is not the subject at hand.
Though vandlism is the key thing with graffiti I still like to look at it. I still think is carries the key of art, line, form, and all that good stuff. Weither it is on the side of a train or in the alley of san fran. If it is big and has color and looks good to me. I am going to have to say that I am a fan of graffiti and i think of it as an art. ninja
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:00 pm
I personally find Graffiti art to be actual art. I see some around the city and it actually makes some random walls look a bit more alive. The only time Graffiti is not actually art is when its used to deface property like marking gang terriroty (like mentioned before) or a single person (we all don't need to know the taggers name or nickname written in fancy letters mad ) or drawing/writing obsene stuff on purpose (like many times I have read "blank" is a "f**" (or something similar). this subject was actually explored in an episode of the Boondocks with Riley at first tagging his name on a person's house and later on advancing onto making real graffiti art (drawing actual people and things rather than his name) 3nodding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Wuz_Here As for billboards....we all don't need to be reminded to eat McDonalds 20 times a day or that Mars bars no longer contain nuts, or to watch more Television its like the movie "They Live" they show that ads and billboards really do control what we do (to a creepy point).
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:59 am
Let me just state that I am glad that billboards are (mostly) illegal in Alaska. (Of course, then some a*****e runs one for his own business on his property and undermines the law anyways stare )
Back on track: Riley Wuz Here looks to be an interesting episode (damn you non-working sattelite and not having the money for the box set crying ), but the idea of pulling off exceptional works of art in the vein of massive copies of wedding photos, to me at least, misses the point of graffitti, which is, by the nature of the thick lines of spraypaint, at least to me meant to favor large, stylized images.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:06 am
People tend to see it as a bad thing, because the word 'graffiti' actually refers to vandalism & as vandalism, it is, unfortunately, mostly tags & not-so-powerful statements (which the poor soul spraying it obviously seemed to think was world-changing at the time).
Graffiti Art, on the other hand, can be beautifully detailed & amazing. However, unless the artist was given permission, it is still considered an act of vandalism.
I think it's wonderful when governments donate walls of youth centres/etc to graffiti artists, because then they can express themselves & create fantastic art, while still not breaking any laws. It should happen more often, because graffiti artists will always want to paint & if they aren't given anywhere to do it, will often take places to do it. It is a very sad thing to see artists forced to break the law because they are unable to express themselves & show off their talent without vandalising public property.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:29 pm
So...I have a question for everyone. I am still on the topic, and I would just like a yes or not answer, You can explain your self, but pretty much a yes or no answer.
When you see some Graffiti on the side of a train or building, and it is BIG and BRIGHT and WONDERFUL looking, do you think of it as a piece of art?
I say. YES.
We all see bad graffiti. Dog piss on the wall scribbles, and we have all seen bad art. I personally am tired of looking at anime. (expect movies, or shows.) Now, disregard the fact that is vandlism and it is illegal. (I do know it is, but we aren't talking about weither or not it is illegal) Now, graffiti carries all the properties of art. Shape, Form, Line, and Color/shading. So, there for yes it is a piece of art.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:52 pm
At it's most base level, it is most certainly art, but to the person operating the trains, it is something that defaces their property, and should be cleaned immediately, unless they commissioned the artist themselves to paint the train.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:04 pm
I saw a train pass by today. It didn't look like they were cleaning up any of that work. I am sure it ruins there trains. But honestly, I don't think they care all that much. Plus, it may be more expensive to clean it up then to keep it there for people to look at when the train passes by. ^__^
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