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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:13 pm
I dout they could be a very good tank in exp, although i have heard stories a brd tanking kirin, but thats with nin sub and what not. Those songs really create a lot of hate i think.
Please im interested in hearing why you think /rdm is good.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:17 pm
Wolftin ok i come up with some crazy ideas but this one beats me out. I have never even heard of a BRD/anything as a tank for anything other then maybe solo. >.> new thought for me. @Silvyee That hurts right <3 <----there. My monk does fine with takeing damage and i have nt even unlocked NIN yet. *cough* MP sink *cough*
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:14 pm
Frostman Wolftin ok i come up with some crazy ideas but this one beats me out. I have never even heard of a BRD/anything as a tank for anything other then maybe solo. >.> new thought for me. @Silvyee That hurts right <3 <----there. My monk does fine with takeing damage and i have nt even unlocked NIN yet. *cough* MP sink *cough* Fact. Takeing hate for a few seconds isnt the same as tanking :3
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:17 am
BRD/NIN, haven't tanked anything yet for my HNMLS but I've heard a lot about it.
-Anything- can tank -anything- with NIN sub and a way to gain hate.
BRD accumulate a lot of hate, very fast and it can wear -more- +haste% gear than NIN. Mazurka songs gives a lot of hate, now with -two- mazurkas we're even stronger. If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. +haste%, 2x march and Haste spell from friendly whm or rdm gives my mazurka recast on something around 15 seconds along with back-to-back utsusemi.
Considering that I won't get terrorized from Fafhogg. The thing also is that now that BRD has received Sirvente, BRD is back on it's job as support, supporting PLDs and NINs who can tank it better than BRD now.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:02 pm
Telamond If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. +haste%, 2x march and Haste spell from friendly whm or rdm gives my mazurka recast on something around 15 seconds along with back-to-back utsusemi. march song doesn't help /recast timers, only attack speed ; ; It's dissapointing but true =/
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:53 pm
BRD75 Here, Rdm52, Nin 40 and No BRD/NIN cannot hold enough hate with songs/spells and the casting time is to long for stoneskin, BRD/Nin with AGi Merrits, and Lots of Evasion+ gear can tank Fairly I'm not a complete fan of tanking thoe, my WAR75/Nin can tank alot better with my niffty gear razz
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:55 pm
Telamond BRD/NIN, haven't tanked anything yet for my HNMLS but I've heard a lot about it. -Anything- can tank -anything- with NIN sub and a way to gain hate. BRD accumulate a lot of hate, very fast and it can wear -more- +haste% gear than NIN. Mazurka songs gives a lot of hate, now with -two- mazurkas we're even stronger. If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. - Mazuraka Doesen't last as soon as you enter and attack the song wears(FUBAR FOR KITING) so I hold hate with etudes, or Nightangale(Minuet+Dragonfoe)
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:46 pm
May Domainee Telamond If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. +haste%, 2x march and Haste spell from friendly whm or rdm gives my mazurka recast on something around 15 seconds along with back-to-back utsusemi. march song doesn't help /recast timers, only attack speed ; ; It's dissapointing but true =/ Wrong, it helps with recast timers. There's a cap with maxed ha;ste you can receive though.
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:48 pm
cow-killer Telamond BRD/NIN, haven't tanked anything yet for my HNMLS but I've heard a lot about it. -Anything- can tank -anything- with NIN sub and a way to gain hate. BRD accumulate a lot of hate, very fast and it can wear -more- +haste% gear than NIN. Mazurka songs gives a lot of hate, now with -two- mazurkas we're even stronger. If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. - Mazuraka Doesen't last as soon as you enter and attack the song wears(FUBAR FOR KITING) so I hold hate with etudes, or Nightangale(Minuet+Dragonfoe) Didn't say kiting, Mazurka isn't used for kiting. Ever sung Mazurka in a middle of a fight that just has received one provoke? Probably not since you're obviously oblivious of it. Mazurka gives a lot of hate. Like I stated above. Nightingale + haste + 2x march gives 6 mazurkas which is unlimited hate. I can post pictures of my BRD tanking Fafnir if you'd like to. Kept hate better than the PLD.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:44 am
Telamond cow-killer Telamond BRD/NIN, haven't tanked anything yet for my HNMLS but I've heard a lot about it. -Anything- can tank -anything- with NIN sub and a way to gain hate. BRD accumulate a lot of hate, very fast and it can wear -more- +haste% gear than NIN. Mazurka songs gives a lot of hate, now with -two- mazurkas we're even stronger. If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. - Mazuraka Doesen't last as soon as you enter and attack the song wears(FUBAR FOR KITING) so I hold hate with etudes, or Nightangale(Minuet+Dragonfoe) Didn't say kiting, Mazurka isn't used for kiting. Ever sung Mazurka in a middle of a fight that just has received one provoke? Probably not since you're obviously oblivious of it. Mazurka gives a lot of hate. Like I stated above. Nightingale + haste + 2x march gives 6 mazurkas which is unlimited hate. I can post pictures of my BRD tanking Fafnir if you'd like to. Kept hate better than the PLD. I don't see my Brd Tanking often and when I gain hate over the Tanks i' get bitched at I wear SH+1 Apollo's Staff, Sheik Leggings, Rostrum Pumps, Bomb Queen Ring, O-Hat, and Jesters Cape+1 for the meaning of keeping some Chr+ I have full merrits on AGI+, Str+, Nightangale, and Minuet, currently working on Dagger,Sword and axe ATM for my War
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:16 pm
there is also a new ring out for bard id like to point out that gives brd 20% hp boost i believe thats the percentage atleast
-leaves disscusion-
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:18 pm
cow-killer Telamond cow-killer Telamond BRD/NIN, haven't tanked anything yet for my HNMLS but I've heard a lot about it. -Anything- can tank -anything- with NIN sub and a way to gain hate. BRD accumulate a lot of hate, very fast and it can wear -more- +haste% gear than NIN. Mazurka songs gives a lot of hate, now with -two- mazurkas we're even stronger. If it's indoor have 2x march on and cast mazurka. Since it's indoors it won't take effect, but the hate given out from mazurka will still be there. - Mazuraka Doesen't last as soon as you enter and attack the song wears(FUBAR FOR KITING) so I hold hate with etudes, or Nightangale(Minuet+Dragonfoe) Didn't say kiting, Mazurka isn't used for kiting. Ever sung Mazurka in a middle of a fight that just has received one provoke? Probably not since you're obviously oblivious of it. Mazurka gives a lot of hate. Like I stated above. Nightingale + haste + 2x march gives 6 mazurkas which is unlimited hate. I can post pictures of my BRD tanking Fafnir if you'd like to. Kept hate better than the PLD. I don't see my Brd Tanking often and when I gain hate over the Tanks i' get bitched at I wear SH+1 Apollo's Staff, Sheik Leggings, Rostrum Pumps, Bomb Queen Ring, O-Hat, and Jesters Cape+1 for the meaning of keeping some Chr+ I have full merrits on AGI+, Str+, Nightangale, and Minuet, currently working on Dagger,Sword and axe ATM for my War If you can't tank as brd/nin, then you arn't doing it right. Yes, you have very nice gear that I'm sure it all cost you a hefty ammount of time and money to obtain, but once again, this gets stated time and time again across all FFXI forums: "Gear does not equal skill." Now, I'm sure you are a very experienced bard, and can play a mean mineut. But if you say brd cant tank or isn't a good tank then I have to disagree and credit that to your tanking skill. Myself and many other brds on my server regularly tank HNMs an gods. The idea isn't to steal the role of tank midfight, but go into the fight with everyone knowing that you will be the tank, or atleast backup if your main goes down. BRD isn't good at evasion, and theres no point in trying to make up for that with evasion gear. Instead build up on dmg-% gear. BRD can wear more dmg- gear then any other job in the game. Also don't be stingy on the shadows, use them alot. 60k every week is not much to spend. I hope this doesn't come across as snobbish, I really don't mean it that way. but as a BRD that tanks regularly, I don't like seeing others put the job down and limit us to just support and nothing else. BRD can even put out a decent ammount of dmg in the right situation. Oh and about hate control, Its a combination of brd songs, but it has more to do with the rest of the pt/alliance knowing when to spike dmg and when not too.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:57 am
Aesk speaks teh truth!! BRD in my linkshell, Noodlebrain, tanks pretty much all of our Jailers in sea and everything but Byakko in sky. BRD also make excellent Fafhogg tanks. Stacked Mazurka hate is by far the best hate holder in game.
Now as for topic, brd/rdm eh. Could do ok on easier mobs, but /nin definitely best.
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