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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:35 am
Real money trader. You pay, for gil.
And to Batosai:
If someone takes the time to level up a craft, they deserve to reap the rewards of it. Cause you know, everybody is given the same options at the begining of the game. So don't be mad at people who went to the trouble of leveling up something, and then want the reward for it. Cause you can craft too.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:31 am
I am a crafter and I can safely say it's not always the crafters fault on why they jack up the prices on items. Many times it'as the people farming who get greedy as all hell and jack up the materials then the crafters have to charge the finished good higher to pay for cost of makeing and then for some profit.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:22 pm
And typically, unless one person has a monopoly on a product, they'll try to sell the finish product for lower than their competitors. So really, it's not the crafters' fault. I think the problem is that there's so much more gil in circulation that the prices are inflating. Like previously stated, there's just not enough gil sinks, places where gil is taken out of the economy.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:55 pm
Kriton I am a crafter and I can safely say it's not always the crafters fault on why they jack up the prices on items. Many times it'as the people farming who get greedy as all hell and jack up the materials then the crafters have to charge the finished good higher to pay for cost of makeing and then for some profit. I feel your pain. I'm ussually stuck farming my materials (seeing as I cook, woodwork and do alchamy(not at 60 at any of those yet so can do all 3 then decide which one I wanna lvl to 100) . It's a huge time sink to farm, make your materials, run around a bit to get the npc materials, go to the AH to find there are no crystals that you need, cry, tele around the world, find there are none anywhere, cry for a bit, go farm the crystals on a lowbie job, (or kill ele's...depending on the weather, lol). So I rather like large amounts of gil after spending forever getting stuff to make a decent profit. And most of the time, you break anyways and are stuck with leftovers which you either sell inividually or use them up yourself. (which is where my sneak oils prism powders and sheihei go to....other jobs) So really, can't blame the crafter at all, they need to make gil somehow. Heck, one of my freinds made 1.2mil off of baby choco food...I think I'm gonna make some myself for my baby and for profit. (just needa find out where la theine mullet is sold, lol)
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:31 pm
one thing people dont understand, people complain about tehre craft not makeing enough money because the ingrident is more then the actual craft, the reason behind that is one you the crafter over crafts, if you make 12 cursed mitts, expect the prices to go down! theres only 3k people per server and not everyone need cursed mitts!
second: the reason behind that is because you can makes a monster profit off the +1 version loseing 200k per craft that poping 1+ still probaly puts you a good mil ahead of your losses
90% of the time the gilsellers arn't at fault, its and exuse for the greedy crafters, NM hunters, and gardeners prices are gonna suck, get used to it! this is FFXI
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:58 am
The Real Batosai It sounds like all that you do is make excuses for the gilsellers. And the HNM camping thing. Inorder for it to be an HNMLS they have to have a linkshell. Kind of a prerequisit. wow...do you even know what time it is?? Dude people go on and on and on about a shell being an "RMT Linkshell" for the love of god PLing new people and hunting high level mobs does not make you a ******** RMT. Also just cause you can not come up with a good answer to the question does not mean i am "Pro-RMT" so you can back off with the witch hunt bullshit kthxbi.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:08 am
Sio And typically, unless one person has a monopoly on a product, they'll try to sell the finish product for lower than their competitors. So really, it's not the crafters' fault. I think the problem is that there's so much more gil in circulation that the prices are inflating. Like previously stated, there's just not enough gil sinks, places where gil is taken out of the economy. This is true but it is not all the RMT's fault on this. SE has a formula for drop rate on gil. The RMT only regen the gil that is drop/obtained. They really do'nt run off of gil drops or NPCing stuff. Hell for that matter the gil you get from chests can cause that number to go up qucik depending on where you go. The inflation really is not the fault of the RMTs its really just like you say that SE has pleanty of ways for you to make gil and not alot of ways for them to get it back. Other then the RMTs keeping more gil in the system what other issue do they have on the economy in-game (other then the 3rd party stuff cause everyone here knows them useing that is just not fair to anyone).
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:34 pm
Quote: Wolftin But the people that go on and on and on about someone being an RMT just cause they do'nt have a support job or cause there still Rank 1.But for the love of god STFU about it. Maybe they do'nt know how to get a support job or have no one to help them with it. Maybe they do'nt want to do Rank mission cause they would rather level to higher levels first so they can breeze through the Ranks. Also my lack of understanding these things may be that i do'nt fight with RMTs. I am not a high level and i really do'nt like the idea of Camping an NM (to much time wasted). Yea but dont you think its kinda strange that this crap is going on on every server. I wouldnt think much of it if it was one or two, but all of them, come on its obvious. And its also strange that this sbegan after SE started to cracking down on RMT accounts. If you ask me id say that they are leveling backup characters in case the current CGF are deleted. And how could you tell people to stop complaining when its s**t like this that makes the game not fun anymore. But, i agree with you on the economy thing, its not all the RMT's fault.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:21 pm
HouyoTsunamiMatrix Real money trader. You pay, for gil. And to Batosai: If someone takes the time to level up a craft, they deserve to reap the rewards of it. Cause you know, everybody is given the same options at the begining of the game. So don't be mad at people who went to the trouble of leveling up something, and then want the reward for it. Cause you can craft too. You didnt understand a thing i said. Im not envious at all of peple that craft. Its a great way to make money. I said that people that find an item that they can craft for profit and wipe it out form being profitable by undercutting the price in a way thats un fair to anybody else that wants to craft the item for profit. Thats what i said. Read more carefully next time please.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:32 pm
Wolftin The Real Batosai It sounds like all that you do is make excuses for the gilsellers. And the HNM camping thing. Inorder for it to be an HNMLS they have to have a linkshell. Kind of a prerequisit. wow...do you even know what time it is?? Dude people go on and on and on about a shell being an "RMT Linkshell" for the love of god PLing new people and hunting high level mobs does not make you a ******** RMT. Also just cause you can not come up with a good answer to the question does not mean i am "Pro-RMT" so you can back off with the witch hunt bullshit kthxbi. How do you spot a Gilselelr or a group of them if your so god damn enlightned on the ******** subject. Christ you act so oblivious to the fact that they are there. And since everybody on this forum so far hasent come up with a way to distinguish a normal player from a RMT how do you find them?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:10 am
The Real Batosai Wolftin The Real Batosai It sounds like all that you do is make excuses for the gilsellers. And the HNM camping thing. Inorder for it to be an HNMLS they have to have a linkshell. Kind of a prerequisit. wow...do you even know what time it is?? Dude people go on and on and on about a shell being an "RMT Linkshell" for the love of god PLing new people and hunting high level mobs does not make you a ******** RMT. Also just cause you can not come up with a good answer to the question does not mean i am "Pro-RMT" so you can back off with the witch hunt bullshit kthxbi. How do you spot a Gilselelr or a group of them if your so god damn enlightned on the ******** subject. Christ you act so oblivious to the fact that they are there. And since everybody on this forum so far hasent come up with a way to distinguish a normal player from a RMT how do you find them? .....do what now? I have freaking clue how to spot them. This is the reasons i have been given that i find bullshit 1) PLing a group of Rank1s with crap for armour 2) They camp the same NM for several days How a linkshell becomes RMT i do'nt know. These are just some of the things people rant on and on about. On my sever there is a linkshell called Plumflower that is claimed to be an RMT linkshell. How it got to that title i do not know, but everone rants on about this one in my server. How do you spot in RMT is a good question though i have no answer to that and nor have i ever claimed to be enlighted in the subject. I also do'nt look for them cause really i could care less if there RMT or not.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:15 am
The Real Batosai HouyoTsunamiMatrix Real money trader. You pay, for gil. And to Batosai: If someone takes the time to level up a craft, they deserve to reap the rewards of it. Cause you know, everybody is given the same options at the begining of the game. So don't be mad at people who went to the trouble of leveling up something, and then want the reward for it. Cause you can craft too. You didnt understand a thing i said. Im not envious at all of peple that craft. Its a great way to make money. I said that people that find an item that they can craft for profit and wipe it out form being profitable by undercutting the price in a way thats un fair to anybody else that wants to craft the item for profit. Thats what i said. Read more carefully next time please. That is part of the game with supply and demand though. If there is to much of one thing tryign to be sold and there is not much of it being sold then the price will drop. Most people do'nt try and lower the price a s**t load cause they want to get the most out of there items. Its not unfair its just part of the AH game, one that pisses everone off from time to time but still part of it none the less. I find my self leveling several crafts all at one time cause i get to the point with some crafts that it is not worth the money at that time. Not being a "one-trick horse" helps with being able to make something else untill the price of some item drops, cause of supply and demand. Funny how its a big cicrle really.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:18 am
Wolftin The Real Batosai Wolftin The Real Batosai It sounds like all that you do is make excuses for the gilsellers. And the HNM camping thing. Inorder for it to be an HNMLS they have to have a linkshell. Kind of a prerequisit. wow...do you even know what time it is?? Dude people go on and on and on about a shell being an "RMT Linkshell" for the love of god PLing new people and hunting high level mobs does not make you a ******** RMT. Also just cause you can not come up with a good answer to the question does not mean i am "Pro-RMT" so you can back off with the witch hunt bullshit kthxbi. How do you spot a Gilselelr or a group of them if your so god damn enlightned on the ******** subject. Christ you act so oblivious to the fact that they are there. And since everybody on this forum so far hasent come up with a way to distinguish a normal player from a RMT how do you find them? .....do what now? I have freaking clue how to spot them. This is the reasons i have been given that i find bullshit 1) PLing a group of Rank1s with crap for armour 2) They camp the same NM for several days How a linkshell becomes RMT i do'nt know. These are just some of the things people rant on and on about. On my sever there is a linkshell called Plumflower that is claimed to be an RMT linkshell. How it got to that title i do not know, but everone rants on about this one in my server. How do you spot in RMT is a good question though i have no answer to that and nor have i ever claimed to be enlighted in the subject. I also do'nt look for them cause really i could care less if there RMT or not. I've been camping the same nm for 4 days strait now...mainly cause the item I wan't hasn't droped yet. It's pretty easy to spot rtm, 1.ask them in japanese, chinese and english wtf they are doing there. 2.Dous't matter the language, if what they answer makes no sence, or they ask you to pt, they are suspects. 3.If they don't answer, they might be bots. 4.Watch them for a few hours..if their movments seem identical or suspisious over that time frame, they are indeed gs/botters. 5.I am not a gilseller...whoever started that needs to stfu. 6. Their gear sucks/is inapropriate for their job.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:39 am
I don't know why people complain about the economy myself either. I mean when you think about it. Who REALLY controls it. SE has given that power to the player. And your average player is between the ages of 14-24. Thats like putting your average high school in the white house and wondering why things in the nation aren't going as smoothly.
As for RMT, I don't have a big problem with them. The one's who hack and break ToS rules aren't included in this. But I actually know a few RMT players, some are nice some are well...they fit the stereotype.
The problem is people play this game with the belief that other players are obligated to be nice to them. But the cold hard truth is that in FFXI, all is fair in exp and gil. If you loose claim on a NM and its stolen, if miners come and mine on top of you, or a party pushing their way into your camp. Its a competitive world out there. And you should have that mindset, whether its RMT or not.
People blame RMT for the economy. And yeah RMT are sneaky. Lets say you have item 'x' on AH and it usually goes for 50k. Well RMT notice it sells very slowly but seems to be growing in demand.
So they put the item up for 100k. Then they logout and get on another character and buy that item for AH, then send the item to another character who puts it back up on AH for 100k. Log on to another character and buy it. So eventually the price list looks like that item is being sold by many different people for that price.
Then you get to the point where the natural greed of players kick in. They see, oh wow this item I bought for 20k way back when is now 100k. I'm going to sell it. So they join in this price jump fest. And then some players are slower to change and try to undercut the price back down, but.....
There's a gillseller at work here. They'll buy out the undercutters at bidding at something like 98k sent it to another mule and put it back up on AH for 100k and continue to camp AH to weed out the undercutters while keeping the price of the item nice and inflated to their liking.
Economy wise, Gilsellers are a spark and the players are gasoline. After prices get nice and high the general population jumps right along to try to get as much gil out of it as possible themselves. In this sense, greed becomes contagious..
As for spotting a gilseller is actually kind of easy most of the time, but there are many kinds of RMT builds.
The exp'ing group is made up of one tank 4-5 mages and sometimes a thf. They are all from the same nation, all rank one, and all wear lvl 10 dunes items long into the 30ish lvls or so.
Then you have your farmers lvl 45+ thf's rank one, no sub job sometimes followed around by a mage or two.
Sometimes the name is a give away. Not because its someone named Quoxttlei, cause i've seen some GS with pretty decent names. But I'm more talking about the characters with similar names. On Siren server the most recognizable are the Zoa's all of their names start with Zoa and and with some random letters like Zoahhf.
Though statisticly most GS aren't very fluent in english I consider that a sterotype and generally never factor that into determining if someone is RMT or not.
But I am beginning to thing the 'communicational ignorance' is just a ploy to confuse regular players. I had one GS camping a NM with me (VE back when the drop was worth something) and I kept asking them questions and talking to them and they didn't understand english or auto-translator and just spoke uttter jibberish to me or typed in chinese (Or what I believe to be chinese.) Well an hour or so passes and I get the claim and I get a tell from the GS in PERFECT english. "Hey man, did you get the drop?" I shook m head and left (though I did get the drop)
I mean some GS's are nice and some are just mean. Like some players are nice and some players are mean. I just take them at face value as in the end they are all people who should be judge on their own merits.
As for the fact they sell gil. Well, I have less of a problem with it because most of them go out and earn gil just like us. They simply are more dedicated and organized about how they go about it. But atleast they have SOME kind of work ethic. I tend to be less tolerant of the ones who buy the gil.
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