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 Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:05 am
lymelady I can safely say that you are....the negative reaction most prolifers have to the prochoice poem is (once you get through it, I mean, the way they talk about a human isn't that great, but it sums up how they feel and most people in here are used to it from intelligent people) "and if you say you are prolife, we think you are stupid." That part directly calls prolifers stupid. It is an insult. It is an emotional attack seeking an emotional response. Not a reasonable one, an emotional one. If you insult people, you're right down on the level of that signature. So why don't we demand that they remove that from their guild members? Why don't we demand that they either bring up themselves to our level or we won't have anything to do with them? Why do you want to discuss things with hypocrits?
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:42 pm
I.Am FreeArsenal Catholics actually had much different beliefs at the beginning than they do now... That is when they were the original Christians, which is what I have a lot of questions on. Anyway, this isn't the guild to debate on religion. So you are saying we became something else? That's odd. If you have any questions on Catholicism, ask me. I merely stated my religion to show him that I am a Christian and so there's no reason I would claim that Christians cannot have an opinion. Most religions became something else, and I will when I have the time to study Catholicism. Thanks for the offer.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:02 pm
Protagonist lymelady I can safely say that you are....the negative reaction most prolifers have to the prochoice poem is (once you get through it, I mean, the way they talk about a human isn't that great, but it sums up how they feel and most people in here are used to it from intelligent people) "and if you say you are prolife, we think you are stupid." That part directly calls prolifers stupid. It is an insult. It is an emotional attack seeking an emotional response. Not a reasonable one, an emotional one. If you insult people, you're right down on the level of that signature. So why don't we demand that they remove that from their guild members? Why don't we demand that they either bring up themselves to our level or we won't have anything to do with them? Why do you want to discuss things with hypocrits? I don't, usually, I ignore hypocrites or point out how they're being hypocritical. Because it's their guild, it isn't ours, all we could do is report for TOS violations and stay ABOVE their level. We aren't self-mutilating, we're being the bigger guild. It takes guts to stay mature in the face of immaturity. Quote: I wish there were a way to show my increduality over the internet. You consider that an insult? Also, if you'll notice the pro-choicer forums, you will also notice the intense amount of bashing they do of the entire pro-life movement. We've turned into a self-mutilating guild. I think it's more of an insult to NOT just go through the motions and have someone tell you that you are than for someone who you don't know call you a male chauvonist pig for being prolife. I can't say for sure since I'm not a male, obviously, but words like, b***h, ho, slut, bounce right off me, those are empty, childish insults. Telling me that I'm not trying or I'm just going through the motions when I'm NOT annoys me. That's an insult.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:55 pm
Protagonist I.Am Did you just insult me? How dare you claim I am just going through the motions? If this is what you think of everyone who disagrees with you, then I have nothing more to say to you. I wish there were a way to show my increduality over the internet. You consider that an insult? Also, if you'll notice the pro-choicer forums, you will also notice the intense amount of bashing they do of the entire pro-life movement. We've turned into a self-mutilating guild. ...What the hell are you talking about? They will bash all of Pro-Life whether we are here or not. How is it self-mutilating? We don't act civil for their sake, but for ours. As I said before, it's about making sure -we- don't look like idiots. It has nothing to do with them, really, except that if we are idiots we will be crushed under foot. We are taking the moral high-road. If they choose to not take the same road within their guild, that's their problem. Inside the Abortion Debate Guild, we try to get everyone to follow rules of debate that keep it civil, but no Pro-Lifer can control their guild, which is why I would suggest no Pro-Lifer go into their guild. EDIT: In a way, it's about them, because we hope that they will follow our example, and by debating respectfully it tends to cause your replies to be respectful as well. Not always, but sometimes.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:58 pm
Protagonist I wish there were a way to show my increduality over the internet. You consider that an insult? And yes. You insult my honor, my word, and my passion. You claim that I do not feel passion for something which I do. You claim that I either lie or fool myself about my own passion. You claim that I would actually "go through the motions" in debating something I feel no passion for. Why would I debate if I felt no passion for it? What purpose would that be? I would have a lower stress level and a hell of a lot more time on my hands if I chose not to debate. So if I had no passion, I would be a fool to debate.
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:54 am
This is ridiculous. All I can reduce it to is that if you don't shamelessly insult those that disagree with you, you've lost your passion for your position.
Being respectful to those debating against you is a sign of maturity, and it has a far bigger impact on the other side than name-calling. If someone takes to insulting you, politely ask them to treat you with the same manners as you treat them and base their arguments on fact rather than insults. If you want to make an difference, stick to the facts and show that you are willing to listen as well as speak. People will trust your judgment.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:51 pm
Protagonist Wow... this guild has totally lost its fire since I originally joined it. This is how radical liberals in general work, guys. They say to you: "Let's be civil about this now, come on, be reasonable.". You start conforming to their "reasonable" and soon you lose passion for what you're fighting for. What are you exactly being civil for? What have they done that makes them so noble that we should be nice to them? I don't know about you guys, but when there is someone that I dislike, I tend to not be nice to them. I'll tolerate them, but I won't be nice to them. This isn't some game, this is a real life issue. When you decide to take up a cause like this, you can't say "aw, well it's just Gaia". It doesn't matter where it is, as long as the message gets out. If you stop just one girl from having an abortion, you've just done something wonderful. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I see this kind of attitude taking hold, it makes me shake my head for the world in general. You can be God damned sure that the "pro-choicers" aren't going to sit their and be all pleasant if they think they're losing. Not that they will think that; it's no danger if you just sit there exchanging pleasantries. I'm all for having civilized debates, but don't conform to their definition of "civil". Remember, their society wants abortion, and ours doesn't. Obviously, our ideas of civility are quite different. Most recently, the closure of my thread. I have a question: Why is this rule in place? Why don't you take every pro-choicer on? Maybe you'll change their mind, or make them think, or something. If you guys want to be friends with people who make it their goal to insure that abortion is legal across the board, then I am sickened and disheartened. This isn't like talking to a friend who happens to be of a different opinion, this is talking to a person who is completely opposed to you, and probably thinks you are an idiot (otherwise, they wouldn't be so confident as to join a guild about it). Where's the fighting spirit? I'm not saying that you have to be all like "OMG U (*@#ERS!" or anything, but for the love of God, don't go down that road of so-called "civility" if you're going to let them define it. If you think baby-killers should define civility, what premise you may argue on, etc. then fine; maybe this guild isn't for me anymore. It's a real shame that things have changed so much.
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