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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:54 pm

Alright.

My favorite couple?

Nobody.

Okay, okay, I'll be clearer. Sakura with a one-sided love for Sasuke, while he doesn't return her feelings.

Sakura is the type to never give up on something, no matter how bad it gets. I can see her still loving Sasuke, despite how he betrayed them, despite how he hurts her.

She wants to move on, but she keeps being reminded of that hope she holds, and doesn't give up on him.

Sasuke, however, ends up being cold, and while he does (or at least used to) care for Sakura, it only goes as far as that, nothing more. He will never love her, not really.

Sakura keeps trying to give up, but that willing spirit of hers won't let her, so she continues with her unrequited love for Sasuke.

:3 That's MY reasoning.

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:55 pm

i am a fan for SasuSaku. why? because i think they're the best for each other. i mean the famous 109 episode says it all. even though sasuke rejected her, i think he did it so sakura would not get involved and be used agaisnt him. besides, i don't find how sakura could likelikelikelike lee or kakashi or kiba. maybe naruto, but sakura has a good chance with sasuke. many of you SasuSaku fans have stated examples of a sasusaku moment where one has acknowledged the other.

sakura is a great person and deserves someone of great stature. if you don't like sasuke, i'll respect that but sasuke is NOT a whiny emo. let's see you react to having your own sibling kill your entire family and keep only you alive.

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:08 pm

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i am a fan for SasuSaku. why? because i think they're the best for each other. i mean the famous 109 episode says it all. even though sasuke rejected her, i think he did it so sakura would not get involved and be used agaisnt him. besides, i don't find how sakura could likelikelikelike lee or kakashi or kiba. maybe naruto, but sakura has a good chance with sasuke. many of you SasuSaku fans have stated examples of a sasusaku moment where one has acknowledged the other.

sakura is a great person and deserves someone of great stature. if you don't like sasuke, i'll respect that but sasuke is NOT a whiny emo. let's see you react to having your own sibling kill your entire family and keep only you alive.

Actually, that episode was more of a Team 7 episode, not so much of a SasuSaku episode. One-sided, sure, but not Sasusaku. In that episode, Sasuke was thinking about Team 7 as a whole. When Kakashi lectured him (was it the same episode or 108? Can't remember), he thought about Sakura AND Naruto as important friends.

And this is just my opinion, but I don't think Sakura has a good chance with Sasuke. Sasuke is already too deep in darkness, and even if he was able to be freed from that, his life is too scarred to have a normal relationship. Even Sakura tried to attack him, and Sasuke's response was trying to kill her. Without hesiation, for that matter.

I agree with you, Sakura IS a great person (one of my favorite characters), but I don't think she deserves someone who always made her feel weak or bad, and constantly made her cry.

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:13 pm

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I think that Haruno Sakura will end up with rock lee. I think they make a perfect couple! ^^

At first I thought about Naruto and Sakura, but then I thought about Hinata.

In episode 195, Sakura has to watch over lee, and Her face was so worried when she saw him injured. That's why I think that they will end up together ^^

Well, episode 195 is a filler. It has nothing to do with the actual plot of the story. Manga-wise, that never even happened. I also used to think that Kishimoto had a lot to do with the fillers, but since he has stated that he is inspired by some of them, and that he keeps up with the fillers, I think he really doesn't have much to do at all with the fillers.

I agree. And besides, she looks like that when ANYONE gets injured. (Naruto, Sasuke, Chiyo, random filler characters)

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:23 pm

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I think that Haruno Sakura will end up with rock lee. I think they make a perfect couple! ^^

At first I thought about Naruto and Sakura, but then I thought about Hinata.

In episode 195, Sakura has to watch over lee, and Her face was so worried when she saw him injured. That's why I think that they will end up together ^^

YAY! Another one! 3nodding

Ok! My view on this is that it's most definately possible. Also! I'm using the anime for this (not fillers, mind you) so if any of the examples were NOT in the manga, please say so and I'll retract them.

We know Lee likes Sakura, and has since he first saw her. However it does take two to tango so the rest of the equation is figuring out of it's possible on Sakura's end. We also know that Sakura initially rejected Lee on the basis that he looks really creepy. However, in the second Chuunin exam he completely saves her (before she did the whole noble hair cut swoofy scene of doom anyway) and afterwards when she thanked him she said "Thanks to you my eyes are wide open now. I think I've become a little stronger." Plus she even punched Naruto out when he insulted Lee. While she was clearly referring to her path as a ninja and had no romantic intentions at that point, it is clear that she deeply respected Lee from there on out. Which, while not an entire case in itself, opens the whole LeeSaku thing as a possibility, not just a crack pairing.

From here out I'm using examples beyond the anime release in America and it's therefore whited out. However some of it has been released in the American manga editions.

Secondly after Lee's fight with Gaara she tries to jump in to be with him, only stopping when Kakashi tells her she'd only cause him more pain. Again, while this doesn't prove anything romantic, it does show Sakura cares deeply about him.

Thirdly, the flower. Sakura could have easily bought just one for Sasuke, her obvious love interest. However, she choose to give one to Lee as well, even though she'd only known him for about a week. You can blame it on Sakura's sweet nature, but I think the fact that she chose the same type (Quote: "A daffodil: An admirable flower that waits for spring as it stands valiently against the winter cold") is a foreshadowing that Lee could become the object of her affections, as Sasuke is it that point. Plus, what she says about the daffodil can be compared to to what Lee said about being the lotus and blooming twice: They both have strong indurance. Though, I suppose you could work the symbolism that it would be in favor of Sasuke as well. I just think that Lee's is much more obvious.

This idea is not based off the series but something Kishimoto said, which is that in the beginning Sakura and Lee were supposed to represent human weakness. This shows not only that the creator had them both in mind at the same time, but that their development is essentially similar. My opinion: While it can be left off that they both get incredibly stronger as ninja, there's something more to it.

Bring it, yo. wink

I find LeeSaku as more of a comedic paring (though it has as much of a chance in being canon as any other paring ^.^). Lee is constantly obsessive with Sakura, and Sakura keeps rejecting him. And in the timeskip, Lee hasn't shown any romantical interest in her (well, yet).

And the part with the Chuunin exams. THe problem is that Lee wasn't the only person she was thinking about. There was also Naruto and Sasuke. And because of the three of them, she cut off her hair, and protected ALL of them.

And the flower, I see it more of as a polite thing to do. She has gained respect for Lee, and she found out that he might never become a shinobi, which is a shock to her. If that were to be true for Naruto, she would've done the same.

So overall, I see her view of Lee as more of a repected person (who she also pitied). But hey, it might happen. It's just a neutral paring for me. :]

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:29 pm

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You see, I just think it's more than that. She physically tried to get into the ring to be close to Lee, something she didn't do for any of the others (at least that I can remember, feel free to correct), so to me it's the same thing that I said before with the two flowers: I think Kishi is trying to put Lee on the same level as Sasuke. This is because before the matches Sakura tried to get Sasuke to stop altogether, she was afraid for him, same as she was afraid for Lee as the match went on.

Actually, Sakura got into the ring to check on Hinata as well. Since neither Sasuke nor Naruto really needed such checking on, it's quite understandable that she wouldn't try to go in after them.

(That is one heck of a post to get lost *pat.pat*)

Um... Actually both of them did need checking up on. Did you not see how Naruto got pwned by Kiba in the beginning of his match and how he continued to get ripped apart in the rest of it? Sasuke's was even worse with his curse mark threatening to take over.

Yet in Naruto's she kept cheering him on. My point was Sasuke and Lee's were the only matches where she really did want them to stop out of fear for them, thus she was regarding them both in the same way. That's all.

I think she means as in the fact that Lee looked near to death, while Naruto was fine, he was standing, and cheering. Obviously he didn't need to get checked. And Sasuke wasn't unconcious as well. Kurenai said that Hinata might die, and Sakura, being deeply concerned, went down to check on her. It's the same with Lee.

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:43 pm

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Okay, the GaaSaku guild owner is here and has stuffz to argue. Yeah, stuffz.

Second: NaruSaku
Better off than SasuSaku, but still pretty bad. Yes, it is possible for someone to hate NaruSaku, SasuSaku and SasuNaru at the same time.
Remember the hospital scene where Sakura embraced Sasuke and Naruto suddenly looked sad? I think it meant that NaruSaku was doomed. In the NaruHina guild someone put an essay on how NaruHina was more cannon than NaruSaku and was up to date that I found of LJ:

"Here's my NaruHina rant. (Or essay...what ever you want to call it.)

The statement Ive had to retype the most was "Why would Kishi make Hinata still have her crush on Naruto after 2.5 years? Wouldn't he have dropped it by now if NaruHina didn't have a chance at happening?" Yeah along those lines. Cause it's true! Most anti-NaruHina's seem to ignore that, and other foreshadows. When they start throwing NaruSaku hints at me, I never change my mind. Basically: Throw as many hints as you like, it does not change the fact that Hinata still likes Naruto. Main guy x Main girl got so old and boring... Kishi should do something different.

As for Naruto liking Sakura, yeah he did in the beginning. But he really hasn't been talking about her the way he use to. As for the “date” thing in 311, haha, it's clear that Sakura and Naruto are just very close friends. She rejected him again but nicely. I now believe Naruto does that just to tease, and it's for comedy.

Psh... First off, you can't take Yamato seriously. He has only known them for 5 days. Also, he has no clue what Team 7's past was. I think NaruSaku fans jumped to conclusions way too fast with this one. The biggest thing here was that his statement wasn't even completed.

Better yet! There's no way Kishi could forget about Hinata. One, she's one of his characters. Two, he even kept her feelings for Naruto after 2.5 years. If he forgot about Hinata, hell I bet we wouldn't have even seen her yet for part 2.

Hehe, speaking of part 2.... Hinata is on the cover of chapter 297, which is also the same chapter where this statement comes from. No, that was not a coincidence. It's not like the creator went threw a pile of sketches and said “Oh! Hinata! I'll just stick her on the cover randomly!” ...No. He knew what would happen in the chapter.

Kishi said adding romance was hard. Which brings up another point. I would find adding NaruSaku....EASY. Oh dear what could this mean? Come on, main guy x main girl, and they're all alone now with no Sasuke. So why hasn't it happened? Hmmm? Maybe it's not what Kishi intends.

“What are you saying!? Naruto never gives up! It's his nindo! He won't give up on Sakura!”

Well that maybe true, he never gives up. However... his nindo is actually “I never take back my words! That's my way of the ninja!” Where is 'giving up'?

Did Naruto ever once say “I love you” to Sakura? Nope. Is his goal to be with Sakura? Nope. It's to become Hokage. So I see no reason for NaruSaku to happen. So why not NaruHina?

I know Naruto's goal is not to be with Hinata either, but it would at least help Hinata's character. Her theme is “If you believe in yourself, you can change yourself.” (Or along those lines) Who helped her change herself? Naruto.

And since Hinata's nindo is the same as Naruto's... and she vowed to get stronger, change herself, and do her best... SHE WILL. I think she wanted to be accepted by Naruto but I'm not to sure if she stated it... I know she wanted him to notice her change though. So she definitely wants to change for him.

More anti-NaruSaku?

-There are no reasons for them to be lovers. They will be perfectly fine as best friends.

-If Kishi doesn't want NaruHina, making Hinata's feelings fade [just like Lee's!] would be the obvious thing to do. But he didn't, so either he doesn't know what he is writing or he wants them to be used.

-NaruSaku date from 247 is not romance according to Kishi.

-The fact that Sakura didn't even see Naruto off before he went to train for 2 years. At least Hinata DID. (Even if she didn't face him directly, she watched him leave)

-Many missed oportunities for Kishi to do NaruSaku.

No I am NOT negating the possibility of NaruSaku. It's very possible, though, in my eyes, it wouldn't help the plot.

Let's take a look at what I mentioned about how Kishi could have dropped Hinata's feelings. I don't think Lee likes Sakura anymore... See now THAT was a comical crush thing. Like Ino's feelings for Sasuke. Comical and probably just there so Kishi could develop Ino/Sakura's story. Hinata's feelings for Naruto are different. I think THOSE have a PURPOSE. Whether or not NaruHina happens, I don't care. I just want to see them resolved in some way. Lee and Ino's feelings for their previous crushes Sasuke and Sakura have basically faded as I see it. (Look at Ino.. Chapter 312: as soon as she saw Sai, she went all over him. It's clear Ino's feelings were not true love.)

It's quite obvious Hinata loves Naruto. It is not just mere admiration as many anti's say. I looked at vol...9, I believe of Naruto in Borders and I looked at Hinata's character description. It specifically says "She has a major crush on Naruto"........ And since she was having a conflict with herself in 282... It just shows her feelings are still there. I wish anti-NaruHina fans would just face the facts and accept that Hinata loves Naruto. They can still hate the pairing, but at least get a reality check.

Naruto opened up to Hinata and told her he wasn't that strong. I was surprised since he hardly knew her and always acted tough in front of everyone else. [Even Sasuke and Sakura] And swearing on someone's blood isn't really to be taken lightly... Who does THAT? That was basically the beginning of development for NaruHina. I hope Kishi will make the right decision and do NaruHina. [And the right way.]

Speaking of the “Naruto opens up to Hinata scene” ... (Episode 59. Or Chapter 98.)

Naruto: Thanks Hinata. I was feeling uncharacteristically depressed... but now, I feel great!

Naruto: A person like you, I really like! (Or in the anime he states “I like people like you.”)

These are direct quotes from the manga. This is development for NaruHina. Again, Kishi didn't have to include this NaruHina interaction. But he did.

The theme: "People accepting other people" - Naruto accepts Hinata to be strong, and ends up falling in love with her. Makes sense. Sakura already accepted Naruto so basically.. that's done.

IF NaruHina doesn't happen then I'm sure Hinata's feelings will be resolved some other way. A way in which everyone will be happy.

Hinata could lose her feelings. But seriously... I DOUBT that. Her whole character (for the most part) from the start was based on Naruto. Why change that now? That would be a waste for the development in part 1.

If someone were to go against me on that and claim why Kishi gave Naruto feelings for Sakura... Then look at it this way:

Naruto in the beginning really only sought acknowledgment. Not romance. He alone didn't even know why he liked Sakura until SHE told him what she wanted. He realized he 'liked' her because she was the same as him. Well guess what? Hinata seeks acknowledgment as well. Sakura's rejecting Naruto and punching him was the comedy. Not Hinata fainting/blushing. That was real.

Why is there so much NaruHina in fillers? I heard that the fillers are supposed to follow the manga and what direction it's headed in. The animators must know Kishi's secrets. Interesting... Why would the fillers have so much NaruHina..JUST to have NaruSaku or something else happen? Perhaps the fillers are not just a fan service. Maybe he wants Naruto and Hinata to interact more to rise the fandom? It's possible.

Here's anti-NaruHina reasons that I can not stand. So I will counter.

“Hinata is not the heroine, therefore she cannot possibly have a chance with Naruto!”

That argument just makes anti-NaruHina's look a bit stupid. If THAT'S the only reason why NaruHina can't happen... then... I think they need to re-read the manga. Naruto isn't a "typical" shounen manga. We all know it's different and unique. Not all shounen mangas end with main guy x main girl. Digimon didn't. Dragonball didn't. I guess the way we get sick of the main guy x main girl argument.. is how they get sick of the "Goku/ChiChi" argument. (Though it makes more sense since Kishi is a fan of Dragonball...And the manga already has like... 5 million similarities to Dragonball already.) Plus Goku/ChiChi is the same as NaruHina. ChiChi waited about 10 years for Goku to notice her.

“They have little interaction!”

So? There have been pairs that had little interaction before and still ended up together. (ie – Goku/ChiChi, Matt/Sora, etc) Little interaction...but when they do interact, it has deep purpose.

Remember: Interaction doesn't matter in anime. It's the character's feelings that do.

“Hinata can be strong without Naruto!”

She might be, yes. But who the hell was the one who inspired her? NARUTO. Who is her character basically based on? NARUTO. Who does she look up to? NARUTO. Hinata could become the head of the Hyuuga, become strong, get accepted by her father and the Hyuuga clan, and with that her development could be resolved... But not her feelings.

“Naruto can't be with Hinata! Her father and the clan won't allow it!”

Oh how I love this one. Another example of a foreshadow may be when Naruto versed Neji. Before he wins, he says "After I become Hokage, I'll change Hyuuga!" That can be used against people who say NaruHina won't happen because her clan/father won't allow it. A Hokage is a Hokage and he/she can change what ever they want. Naruto become Hokage? Goal from the beginning? To get everyone to acknowledge his existence? That is correct.

You want more? Neji is part of the Hyuuga and he says in 238 to Hinata “I heard that Naruto's leaving the village today for his training, but shouldn't you see him off?” ....Neji knows. He supports it. It's obvious.

More? A theme for Naruto is the “breaking away from traditions” or something like that. Something about making it better. Welp... Hyuuga is an excellent example.

Then we have Kiba. He should know Hinata very well, considering they are team mates.

Chap. 238

“Hinata already went out of concern for him! But when she saw him all bandaged up, she almost fainted...”

Chap 282 [When Hinata sees Naruto again for the first time]

“Why do you always faint around Naruto!?”

...She fainted ONCE in the manga and that was that exact chapter. So “always”? What? Sure she studdered and ALMOST fainted while being around Naruto but she never did until that chapter. Unless you count fillers. She faints in those. ...Oh fillers, huh? But they don't count, right? Or do they?

Next:

“She's always watching you.” - Haruno Sakura

So Sakura knows, too? It's not confirmed she knows about the crush, but she definitely has some knowledge of Hinata's feelings towards Naruto. Yes... I think it's fair to assume that Sakura knows about Hinatas feelings, so it would be... very bitchy if she would try to gain Naruto's love for herself... if she loves him that is.

Let's look at the databook. Hinata's 2nd databook profile:

Hinata, always feeling the same towards Naruto. Will the day come when she can face him directly?

Hinata passively gave in to everything, but with the support of Naruto's
cheering, she had a fierce battle with Neji, and matured greatly. There is still
a lot of her that is not sufficient as the child of the Hyuuga Main House, but
indomitable strength is added to her original pure heart, and little by little,
but steadily, Hinata progresses ahead... She wishes that she could move even one step closer towards the back of Naruto, her idol...

Mhmm... “Will the day come when she can face him directly?” - That's basically a rhetorical question in my opinion. For example:

Chapter 282: Hinata in her mind thinks:

“Naruto-kun.. I heard he was back in the village, but...”

“What do I do?”
“My feelings.. I'm still not ready...”

And the suffix around her means “heart beat.”

Next: Rough draft of Hinata. This is the drawing of Hinata that Kishimoto gave the editors. IT IS NOT FANART.

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Who is in the backround? NARUTO. What else is there? A sun. I know Hinata means sun or sunlight, but does it mean something more? Let's make a comparison...

Chapter 297 (cover with Hinata, same chapter that Sakura LIED to Naruto as well.) - “Guided by a golden light, now she's walking out in the sun!” Maybe this “Golden light” is Naruto?

Now lets look at Kishimoto's interviews:

SJ: Has there been anything you've wanted to do in the manga you haven't put in yet?
MK: As ideas come to me, I try to include them. With the volumes of Naruto manga I've put out so far, I've already done most of the things I wanted to do. So now I'm trying to figure out what to do next. Well, I haven't really written about romantic relationships...

Again.. Interaction doesn't matter.

"I want to put in romance that I wasn't able to..." - So he created a base for them in part 1?
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"I want to put in romance that I didn't want to..." - So now he can create romance from scratch...?

Kishimoto lets us know that Hinata has been the one watching/acknowledging/admiring/loving Naruto the most, and for the longest time. Just because the girl didn't tell him doesn't mean that her feelings for him are any less valid.

SJ: Oda-sensei says he knows how One Piece will end---do you know how Naruto will end?
MK: Yes, I have the last episode clearly drawn in my mind. I've already decided on the layout, text, and scenes. Not just the story ideas, but the visual ideas are solid.
All I have to do is just head toward the ending I have, but there are still so many things that need to be resolved before reaching that point. Maybe I have thrown in too many ideas, so I need to wrap them up neatly.

So many things still need to be resolved before reaching the ending he has? Well in that case... Hinata's feelings will be resolved. If not, then there's an example of a bad writer.

Moving on...

NaruHina Proofs?

-Hinata's development was started by Naruto... it's logical that it will be ended by him too.

-Theme: "believe in yourself" will be hard to add if Naruto will reject Hinata for Sakura.

-Kishi said that he throw in too many ideas and said that he must resolve many issues before the end. ... Hinata's feelings must be resolved.

-It was easier to make Hinata drop her feelings post-time. Did he drop them? Nope. He strengthened them.

-Hinata was one of the first people to see Naruto for who he is. He has an impact on her heart.

-All the development between them in part 1 was cut in half. It means that Kishi didn't want them to be together in part 1... or that he was forced to stop it before it has grown into real relationship. "Wasn't able too..." proves that he was forced to.

-In chapter 172 Kishi has showed that Naruto accepted Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. It would be very... inconsistent if he would pair NaruSaku after that.

-Her character is based on self-confidence. Kishi has hinted that he wants Hinata to confess. This might be her test... I don't think Naruto would reject her. That's my opinion.

-Naruto's just dense... He's already done romantic things for Hinata.... running to her side before she falls unconscious after her fight with Neji when he didn't need to, swearing in her blood to defeat Neji, encouraging her during her fight, searching for her after he beat Neji, shedding his mask in front of her, beating her cousin for her, telling her he likes people like her... (I think I'm missing some). But they've all been subconscious actions."

He did in the beginning, and he still does. His goal is to save Sasuke, correct? But there is another goal: To protect Sakura. NOT Hinata.

And in most anime/manga series, they don't confess their love, like 'I LOVE YOU', but moreover jusy say something like 'I'll protect you' to show their feelings.

This is true for many series I've read, like Rurouni Kenshin, or Rave Master.

Yes, so many people disagree with the 'Yamato' thing. And let me ask you; does someone need to know about their past to know if someone has feelings for another? Yamato doesn't need to know about Sakura's past, to know if she has feelings for Naruto or not. I think that's just dumb. So if he doesn't know about Hinata, or Sasuke, then he has no idea whether Sakura holds strong feelings for Naruto or not? :/

And it's not just Yamato. Sai even implied it. But neither of them said or implied anything about Sakura liking Sasuke (yes I know you hate Sasusaku xD).

Both Sai and Yamato implied that Sakura held romantical feelings for Naruto.

Sai-'You're...very gentle to Naruto-kun, aren't you? I don't really understand those feelings, but I once read in a book that--'

And both times, Naruto inturrupted them. If Kishi were to make their relationship just sibling or friends, why would he put so much effort into those moments? :/

And Naruto's goal isn't to be with Sakura. I agree with you. But Hinata's goal isn't to be with Naruto. It's to be stronger, and not to be a burden, similar to Sakura.

The problem is that so many people think that her whole life is based on Naruto and love, but really, her role in the manga/anime isn't just a mere love interest. In fact, "love" has never been a motivator for her character growth. "Admiration" (like with everyone else) was. it's her Admiration (the branch that specifically made her want to do her best) of Naruto that brought her thus far, just like with many other people who got influenced by Naruto. Everything she did, she did in the name of the "person she admires", not in the name of "the person I want to go out with". The crush is just a side consequence. It actually shows her views of Naruto as closer to full-blown idolatry than anything else. Naruto did help her change, but he made ALOT of people change.

But wait, maybe that crush of hers makes her even Stronger than admiration alone? Then it'd be like... a good thing! Let's look at the list of other candidates who've admired Naruto:
- Neji: fought against Kidoumaru with Naruto in mind. Current status: jounin.
- Gaara: decided to protect his village as kazekage with Naruto in mind (see Kankurou flashback). Current status: Kazekage.
- Sakura: asked Tsunade to train her after Naruto reiterated his vow, so that they could go "together" next time. Current status: is said that she will surpass Tsunade.
- Tsunade: fought against Orochimaru while thinking of Naruto. Current status: Hokage.
- Konohamaru: became a hardworker. Current status: might be future challenger for Hokage. O_o;;

In short, you can argue all you want on how her crush should make her even stronger than those who've experienced admiration alone. The facts contradict this. If anything, compared with the above, Hinata who simply fainted upon return seems Worse off. She's "just" a chuunin, and I really doubt anyone will say "she'll surpass the Godaime." So frankly, the crush really doesn't seem helpful. Basically, the way I see it, the admiration aspect alone could have been responsible for any improvements Hinata's shown. The others sure fared well enough on that alone.

THere is a problem with one of your statements; 'Naruto accepts that Hinata is strong, THEN HE FALLS IN LOVE WITH HER. Is that necessary? He already HAS accepted that Hinata is strong. So technically, that's done as well. He doesn't HAVE to fall in love with her.

As I said before, her character was based on Naruto, but only about half is. Her whole role isn't a mere love interest. That's just a bit boring. And beside, what changed her was her ADMIRATION for Naruto, not her LOVE.

And seriously, you can't judge Sakura in the beginning. In the beginning, Sakura was a shallow pre-teen. Even Kishi stated that she was supposed to start out as a disliked character. Sakura was pretty mean to EVERYONE, except for Sasuke. And Hinata's constant blushing/fanting is SUPPOSED to be comedic as well. :/

And while so many people talk about the NarutoxHinata fillers, it's just FILLERS, no matter how much you look at it. But yes, sometiems Kishi uses them as direction for the future manga. I agree with that. But there IS a BIG Narusaku filler (the first one, starting at ep. 136), which was pretty long, and it was even half canon, because some of the scenes actually happened in the manga.

If there isn't a "direct" reason for Naruto to chose Hinata, then what? Even the NaruHina fans keep shouting "Chichi/Goku Chichi/Goku" to me. Well then yes, it Is a possibility: a relationship "out of nowhere" at the end of the series. But why'd it happen? Basically, it'd happen because Sakura hooked up with someone else. So Hinata would be the handy-dandy consolation girlfriend! =)

Sorry, I hate that idea. = I'm also not thrilled at the idea of a relationship where basically Hinata would have missed out on everything that's defined Naruto. She'd be relatively marginalized in her role in his life. Now I find this Especially irksome when Naruto would on the contrary represent a disproportionately big part of Her life.

Interaction DOES matter. So you will marry someone who you haven't interacted for less than 2 hours in your whole life? Sorry but that seems unrealistic. VERY unrealistic.

You said the Naruhina moments in fillers count. But when Hinata faints near Naruto (in many of the Naruhina fillers) in the fillers, they DON'T count? Just say that the fainting, the naruhina moments, NONE of them count.

And the cover deal. So there aren't any covers regarding Naruto and Sakura? Or Naruto and Sasuke? Here's one:

'I stayed away from sadness and pain...I wanted to protect that smiling face.

And the cover is Sakura, smiling. Now THAT shows something nice too. Now I think that is Naruto, who is reffering to Sakura's 'smiling face' (as shown on the cover). Now, if Naruto had given up his feelings already, why would he say something like that? That sounds very heartwarming, and as if...gasp, he still likes her! O.o

-Theme: "believe in yourself" will be hard to add if Naruto will reject Hinata for Sakura.

It says 'believe in yourself'. That has nothing to do with love. Hinata had low self esteem to begin with, so if she 'believes in herself', her self confidence will grow. Nothing about love, or getting Naruto as her boyfriend.

-Hinata was one of the first people to see Naruto for who he is. He has an impact on her heart.

Um, no. Iruka and Sandaime was. And Sasuke. Not Hinata.

And how do you know that Naruto has given up on Sakura? Maybe he just put her happiness over hers. But that doens't mean that he has completely lost his feelings for her, and doesn't love her anymore.

-Naruto's just dense... He's already done romantic things for Hinata.... running to her side before she falls unconscious after her fight with Neji when he didn't need to, swearing in her blood to defeat Neji, encouraging her during her fight, searching for her after he beat Neji, shedding his mask in front of her, beating her cousin for her, telling her he likes people like her... (I think I'm missing some). But they've all been subconscious actions."

Naruto ran to her side. Ok. Naruto put his life on the line (more than once, mind you) to save Sakura. Naruto encouraged Sakura during the fight, which actually helped her by getting rid of Hinata. Foreshadowing, maybe? And Naruto didn't fight for just Hinata. He fought for 3 people
Neji, Hinata, and people who are like himself, like losers.

Um...wow. Wall o' text, much? O.o
I never knew I typed that much... sweatdrop

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:38 pm

Goodness these things take so long to read. x_x Anyways, I have a few things as well.

[Shimizu-chan]

Yes, so many people disagree with the 'Yamato' thing. And let me ask you; does someone need to know about their past to know if someone has feelings for another? Yamato doesn't need to know about Sakura's past, to know if she has feelings for Naruto or not. I think that's just dumb. So if he doesn't know about Hinata, or Sasuke, then he has no idea whether Sakura holds strong feelings for Naruto or not? :/

And it's not just Yamato. Sai even implied it. But neither of them said or implied anything about Sakura liking Sasuke (yes I know you hate Sasusaku xD).

Both Sai and Yamato implied that Sakura held romantical feelings for Naruto.

Sai-'You're...very gentle to Naruto-kun, aren't you? I don't really understand those feelings, but I once read in a book that--'

And both times, Naruto inturrupted them. If Kishi were to make their relationship just sibling or friends, why would he put so much effort into those moments? :/

That still makes sense to me because Yamato didn't know how devoted Sakura was to Sasuke. He doesn't have a clear, exact understanding of her and her feelings. And while Yamato implied romantic feelings, I don't think Sai really did.

For all we really know, Sai could have been mentioning on how their friendship is. He hasn't seen her with Sasuke when Sasuke wasn't an enemy, so he may think that because he hasn't seen Sakura with other extremely close friends.

[Shimizu-chan]

'I stayed away from sadness and pain...I wanted to protect that smiling face.

And the cover is Sakura, smiling. Now THAT shows something nice too. Now I think that is Naruto, who is reffering to Sakura's 'smiling face' (as shown on the cover). Now, if Naruto had given up his feelings already, why would he say something like that? That sounds very heartwarming, and as if...gasp, he still likes her! O.o

-shrugs- I guess it depends on how you interpret it. To me, it still sounds like friends. But that's just me.

[Shimizu-chan]

-Hinata was one of the first people to see Naruto for who he is. He has an impact on her heart.

Um, no. Iruka and Sandaime was. And Sasuke. Not Hinata.

Iruka and Sandime, yes. Not Sasuke. Did Sasuke consider Naruto stupid, worthless, etc.? Yes. Did Hinata? No. She saw the good in him, like Iruka and the Sandaime. Sasuke did later though.

And I remember reading in an interview that I'm rather sure was real, was that Kishi-san said putting in romance was HARD. Considering that Sasuke is gone, putting Naruto and Sakura together would be easy. So, why hasn't he?

And that is my two cents for this. XD

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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:28 pm

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Goodness these things take so long to read. x_x Anyways, I have a few things as well.

[Shimizu-chan]

Yes, so many people disagree with the 'Yamato' thing. And let me ask you; does someone need to know about their past to know if someone has feelings for another? Yamato doesn't need to know about Sakura's past, to know if she has feelings for Naruto or not. I think that's just dumb. So if he doesn't know about Hinata, or Sasuke, then he has no idea whether Sakura holds strong feelings for Naruto or not? :/

And it's not just Yamato. Sai even implied it. But neither of them said or implied anything about Sakura liking Sasuke (yes I know you hate Sasusaku xD).

Both Sai and Yamato implied that Sakura held romantical feelings for Naruto.

Sai-'You're...very gentle to Naruto-kun, aren't you? I don't really understand those feelings, but I once read in a book that--'

And both times, Naruto inturrupted them. If Kishi were to make their relationship just sibling or friends, why would he put so much effort into those moments? :/

That still makes sense to me because Yamato didn't know how devoted Sakura was to Sasuke. He doesn't have a clear, exact understanding of her and her feelings. And while Yamato implied romantic feelings, I don't think Sai really did.

For all we really know, Sai could have been mentioning on how their friendship is. He hasn't seen her with Sasuke when Sasuke wasn't an enemy, so he may think that because he hasn't seen Sakura with other extremely close friends.

[Shimizu-chan]

'I stayed away from sadness and pain...I wanted to protect that smiling face.

And the cover is Sakura, smiling. Now THAT shows something nice too. Now I think that is Naruto, who is reffering to Sakura's 'smiling face' (as shown on the cover). Now, if Naruto had given up his feelings already, why would he say something like that? That sounds very heartwarming, and as if...gasp, he still likes her! O.o

-shrugs- I guess it depends on how you interpret it. To me, it still sounds like friends. But that's just me.

[Shimizu-chan]

-Hinata was one of the first people to see Naruto for who he is. He has an impact on her heart.

Um, no. Iruka and Sandaime was. And Sasuke. Not Hinata.

Iruka and Sandime, yes. Not Sasuke. Did Sasuke consider Naruto stupid, worthless, etc.? Yes. Did Hinata? No. She saw the good in him, like Iruka and the Sandaime. Sasuke did later though.

And I remember reading in an interview that I'm rather sure was real, was that Kishi-san said putting in romance was HARD. Considering that Sasuke is gone, putting Naruto and Sakura together would be easy. So, why hasn't he?

And that is my two cents for this. XD

I guess the reason I think that Sai implied romantical feeing is that...
usually, Sakura is assertive, loud, violent, and outgoing, correct? And if I recall, Shikamaru's father had said. 'A woman is gentle to the one she loves'.
So even though Sakura is all violent and Inner-Sakura-like (xD), she is still gentle to Naruto, as even Sai had stated.

And ever since Sasuke and Naruto were little, Sasuke did respect Naruto, in a way, but he never did admit it. And although Hinata might've seen the good in him first, Naruto said that Sasuke was the first bond (or one of the first) that Naruto has ever had. (And Sakura, Iruka, and Kakashi). And she does acknowledge him and was changed by him, but she is only one of the sea of people that was inspired by Naruto.

and yes, I did type alot before...D:

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:30 pm

Still, Sai hasn't seen her being gentle with Sasuke, which she usually was. His opinion could change because if this were the case, then Sakura's feelings would not be romantic because she also shows it towards Sasuke, not just Naruto. Unless, well, it was a threesome, but that's a whole other topic entirely...>___>;

Hmm...I guess you got me there. Though I'm not entirely sure on Sasuke respecting Naruto, even when they were little. Did they even REALLY know each other then? o_O

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:25 pm

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Still, Sai hasn't seen her being gentle with Sasuke, which she usually was. His opinion could change because if this were the case, then Sakura's feelings would not be romantic because she also shows it towards Sasuke, not just Naruto. Unless, well, it was a threesome, but that's a whole other topic entirely...>___>;

Hmm...I guess you got me there. Though I'm not entirely sure on Sasuke respecting Naruto, even when they were little. Did they even REALLY know each other then? o_O

Well, the reason is that I don't like how Sakura acts around Sasuke. It seems oddly fake, and she doesn't show her true personality so he won't like her. She's always repressing her INNER SAKURA (RAWR! ^.^), but to Naruto, she shows her true self. :]

Lol, threesome...xD

And yeah, in a way. Have you watched up to episode 134? ^.^ Both Naruto and Sasuke knew that they were both alone, and in an odd way, they were friends. :]

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:13 pm

All I'm saying is that Sasuke and Sakura were made for each other, besides in the episode when the sound ninja came to eliminate Sasuke, Sakura was the only one that was able to keep Sasuke from turning into a monster (she hugged him :3 yay!). Sasuke was made for revenge and Sakura was made to keep Sasuke from being completely overtaken by evil. 4laugh

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