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 Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:39 pm
lucky_mysterious Kenzu Dark_Lord_Takai I say if they ditched the one party thing and had a few more parties and if they cut back on the whole killing off religion (go buddhism woot) China would kick a**... oh yeah, and give theeir people free speach blah blah blah. Some people should just learn to keep it to themselves... What do you think of China... AND my post. (Pick on China or both) The only socialist things about china are its name and party. Everything else is a copy of USA, just worse i.e. more capitalistic
By coïncidence, I saw something on TV today. About people with a certain religion(can't remember wich one) being send to prison. They kill them(or not) and take their organs, because they think those people don't deserve to live. Not really an idea of Communism huh?Do you mean Falun Dafa? It is definitely not a religion. The believers are as mad as performing public suicide sweatdrop Too horrible.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:43 pm
China is not a socialism country as they claimed, and the CCP is not a communist party, too. As a Chinese, the only thing I can do is hoping her will be better. A good but fragile wish.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:53 pm
Sage_of_Icaria Quote: Then Mr. Orwell`s book will come true then wouldnt it? LOL. I think it is funny how true that book keeps becomming. That book is a utter load of s**t, now, then, and forever. The only reason why I read it was because it forced in school, and I didnt burn it because it would have cost me 5 bucks. But on topic, I spit on China, the nation that sells out their land, their eviroment, their values, thier tradtion, their people, they are a whore nation. Well, who buy the service of the whore then?
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:54 pm
great, all of you, claiming that china is not communist or socialist and that it is irretrevably capitalist...
are any of you going to explain it? or do you thing that your assertions should be taken as proof?
do you deny the contradiction between the material support for the bureaucracy which the collectivised property gives, and the constant aims at decollectivising that very property? hmm... noone?
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:07 pm
Gracchvs great, all of you, claiming that china is not communist or socialist and that it is irretrevably capitalist... are any of you going to explain it? or do you thing that your assertions should be taken as proof? do you deny the contradiction between the material support for the bureaucracy which the collectivised property gives, and the constant aims at decollectivising that very property? hmm... noone? English is not my first language. I am not sure what you mean. But if you want explaination I can give you some. Today, Chinese farmers do not pay to the landlords, but they are required to pay the Government. When these farmers do not want to work in the fields anymore, they need to taken risky workers such as building skyscrpers in the city with low wage and without necessary protection. They suffers discrimination from city people. No one cares their lives or their children. Even like this, their bosses sometimes refuse to pay them at the end of the year. Finally, some of them become thievies, murderers or suicide. If this is socialism, then American would be communism.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:13 pm
ok, so what you are saying is that because it isnt nice it isnt socialism?
that isnt how it works.
it is socialist because of the property relations there, the fact that there is, in most of the country, completely nationalised industry and land, for one thing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:18 pm
Gracchvs ok, so what you are saying is that because it isnt nice it isnt socialism? that isnt how it works. it is socialist because of the property relations there, the fact that there is, in most of the country, completely nationalised industry and land, for one thing. Well, generally I mean Socialism does not work like that. Still I insist the true Socialism should be better than Captialism. Another fact I shall tell you is there will be a China Railway Company soon. I suggest you buy some stock at that time.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:25 pm
should be, but one must look at the economy to determine if a state is a workers state, not at how it exists in the realm of morality.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:30 pm
Gracchvs should be, but one must look at the economy to determine if a state is a workers state, not at how it exists in the realm of morality. You are quite right, I think. So how do you consider China as a workers' state from economy aspect? By the way, I do insist Socialism should possess a higher morality than Capitalism. However, it is not the truth.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:30 pm
ok, the collectivised property, that is, the nationalisation of all wealth creating property.
that is what makes them a workers state.
now yes, there are a few capitalist enclaves in the form of the special economic zones, and considerable closing down of factories, producing unemployment, but this does not change the fact that it is a workers state, it does not amount to 'creeping capitalism'. it does however, weaken the workers state, and strengthen the internal forces of counter revolution.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:02 am
Gracchvs ok, the collectivised property, that is, the nationalisation of all wealth creating property. that is what makes them a workers state. now yes, there are a few capitalist enclaves in the form of the special economic zones, and considerable closing down of factories, producing unemployment, but this does not change the fact that it is a workers state, it does not amount to 'creeping capitalism'. it does however, weaken the workers state, and strengthen the internal forces of counter revolution. GREAT GOOGALY MOOGALY The world is about to end ladies and penguins because... I AGREE WITH GRACCHVS eek gasp eek
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:40 pm
no, it is scary when i agree with gallenger, or rather, do not feel i can add anything, or correct any posts he makes. trust me, that is when things get scary, i mean ther be demons and pigeons with lips...i shudder at the thought...
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:52 pm
Gracchvs ok, the collectivised property, that is, the nationalisation of all wealth creating property. that is what makes them a workers state. now yes, there are a few capitalist enclaves in the form of the special economic zones, and considerable closing down of factories, producing unemployment, but this does not change the fact that it is a workers state, it does not amount to 'creeping capitalism'. it does however, weaken the workers state, and strengthen the internal forces of counter revolution. Good. How do you know all wealth creating property belongs to the nation? Moreover, why do you think this nation can fully represent its working class?
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:43 pm
not all property bellongs to the state(not nation, but state i was talking about). it used to, but the market reforms have reduced that a little.
and as to the nation representing the working class, i dont think it does.
and i am not saying it does. what i am saying is that it is in the interests of the workign class. imagine how worse off the workers would be iff they suddenly closed down half the factories, because the werent needed, and then fire half of the workers in the remaining factories bacause there were too many people doing the tinyest jobs.
that will not happen to the majority of the country. not yet, because the CCP can only get its benefits from the wealth created by this system. not capitalism. only the highest bureaucrats will be better off under capitalism, and it is they who want to bring it in.
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