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wolf-larsen
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:39 am


Aeonian.life
Alezunde
I will have to agree with Starlock's observation.
It is true that Christianity as a whole focuses more on getting into heaven than on life itself.
Too many Christians will live life according to perceived morals not because they want to, but because they want eternal life in heaven.
As a result, their existence becomes empty.

Now on topic:
I think that they should remove Terry Schiavo's feeding tube.

-Alezunde


Sorry, but I have to disagree. Christianity focuses on a personal relationship with God - it says specifically in the Bible 'good deeds' do NOT warrant acceptance into heaven - Salvation is a free gift. Christians live God's laws and try to be moral to glorify God, not to 'get into heaven'. Indeed, if they do not follow his laws however, they surely will not, (Matthew 5:20) but it does not guarantee in any way if it is not done to to please God. Finally, how does their existence become empty because they try to be good people? I don't see how you can judge whether someone's existence is empty.

wolf-larsen - You asked me to show you a parable that doesn't deal with being saved from death. Just opening my bible brought me to one: Matthew 7:24-28 (The Wise and Foolish Builders). Secondly, notice you said saved from death - the key to Christianity is God's gift of Salvation, that Jesus overcame death. Hence, LIFE. The basis of the bible is Life, and the gift of Life, not in any way death.

Finally, Starlock, you called pro-lifers hypocritical. To me, it is the opposite. There is a huge difference between killing an unborn baby that does not threaten your life, and someone standing in front of you with a gun to your face.
Yes but that parable was related to following the word of God and building your house(Or life depending on which term you want to use.)on it. Now salvation is not free. You can't just pray to god for him to take your soul and save it from hell, then go do whatever the hell you want to. For the bible reads(And I'll find the verse and add it later)) Jesus is saviour and Lord. If he is not your lord, then he is not your saviour. If you truly believe in Him then this is not a problem, because if you truly believe in something then temptation to break away from it is much less. And so the price is revealed. To be saved you must make Jesus lord over you and your actions. Now to return to my first statement, if you do not follow gods word then what happens? You die the Second Death. Everyone who does not believe in Jesus will die this second Death. And for those that who have not studied Revelations extensively, there is a place worse than hell. Hell is just a waiting place, still filled with torment of course, till the final judgment. After which Satan, Hell, Death, the Antichrist, and the unbelivers will be cast into the lake of fire. But I digress.

Alezunde, to pick up on one of your points, humanity was created as companions for God. As far as the worshipping goes, is it not right to worship the one who brought you into being? And by that time god had no choice about letting them worship or not worship him. Satan was loose and on the prowl, as was amply demonstrated later. The worship was a way of loving them, of trying to save them from what? Oh my I do believe it was DEATH. If you truly worship one thing it is hard to follow something that says that you worship is wrong. I hate doing tangents like that and I think I may snapped a little there, so I offer my humble apologies.

((Ps. Another one of your points ties in neatly with the bible theme of this post. Doubt is not evil. It is natural and everyone does it. If you don't then you can never truly believe. THomas in the bible for instance. He is bashed severely by contemporary Christians today but Jesus merely offered proof and asked him not to doubt beyond reason. Doubt is necesary to growth, for a non believer as well as a christian.))
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:50 am


ron-and-mee
Starlock
I haven't been too good at keeping up on the news lately, but I did filp it on for a few seconds last night and saw that. And I was like ... "thank the Gods... it's finally over." The bad thing about this though is that she shouldn't have had to starve to death... she should have been put under more humanely. And, because it became this big political, culture war, and court argument, she wasn't given that decency.


I do agree that there definitely should've been a more humane way to let her die. I believe that she didn't have a quality to her life so that she really wasn't living for the past 15 years. Politics really shouldn't ever have to come into personal matters such as this one.


At least this has been a success story, proving to the world that no matter how much a politician wants to meddle in the private affiars of an American family, they are forbidden by the courts to do so. I think some parts of the world watching us heaved a collective sigh that our system still works.

Starlock


ron-and-mee

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:19 pm


This is a bit off topic but I thought perhaps this should be posted here.


One of my friends, who isn't Catholic, wont talk to anyone about anything ever since the pope died. She's even posted her name on msn say "I feel as if I've lost a friend." I believe having a pope in incredibly stupid because in my opinion the catholic church is a cult that brainwashes people into stupid beliefs.

As for Terri Schiavo, another friend of mine has taken to calling me a murderer because I felt that it was a good thing to remove her feeding tube - if you don't have a quality to your life, why live at all?
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