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Macaroni_and_Cheese
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:10 pm


I don't know where I've found time to watch this show. I've barley had time for anything else.

Vinnie, Clarence, and Aaron! the recurring characters on this show rock!

This episode was really intense, but still didn't give the emotional impact of last years. This year's mystery was all over the place. Still for the most part I liked it, but I had my issues

First, I really liked Beaver as the culprit. I had been suspecting more and more there was more to him in the evil sense and saw it even more on rewatch. I think they did a good job foreshadowing it and foreshadowing the sexual abuse. He's the only that it could make sense to be and have us actually care. Still I was surprised so it wasn't a let down, but not out of nowhwere either. Where they lost me was the stupidity of the roof scene. The acting was awsome and it was intense, but that's where a lot issues came that bugged me.

First Veronica totally pulled a Velma and gave us all the exposistion that she came up with in the last ten minutes and says it all right to Beaver like he isn't going to kill her because he will be so impressed. Then they retconned the rape which bugged me because I actually liked how ATTD was resolved and I feel like they ruined it just to make Beaver responsible for everything. Plus they haven't been the best at handling and refrencing the rape so going down that path doesn't seem like a smat idea. I also didn't like his reason for bombing the bus. I'm not sure I buy that Marcos and Peter would force him into that, when most abused victims understand and they probably could have done whatever they planned with just their two testimonies. And then why did he wait so long to kill them? Why did he have to kill the whole bus just to kill them? Then he goes off and blows up Keith even though no one believes he's dead. First there's the fact that hello he's KEITH, and if they did decide to go all 24 kill beloved characters, he would at least get some scene before he died, like a shot of him just sitting on the plane and it would have been much more dramatic and gory.

I also don't like Veronica and Logan getting back together off screen. I don't mind them getting back together (although I was kind of hoping they wouldn't yet especially when there's the risk of this being another off screen summer romance in which there was lots of drama that we don't get to see). After trauma like that and a person being there with you through every step of that trauma, issues sometimes seem small and unimportant and Logan was there the whole time (which BTW, Logan can cook? huzzah?) so I buy it fine, but I would like to actually see it. If L/V are epic and they want to play it out that way why to they reunite off screen? I feel cheated out of all the emotion and drama in if they had a "talk" or even some major kiss.

Tsunuffy
Also, I wanted to mention my intellectual disgust with the way Veronica tried to warn Mac about Beaver. Oh, my God, so STUPID. YOU DO NOT WARN IN THE VOICEMAIL OR TELL HER VIA TEXT MESSAGES! BECAUSE THOSE WAYS CAN BE INTERCEPTED!
thank you! Seriously, our girl can do better than that. And then not questioning the replying text message even though it could easily be (and was) Beaver, especially when "Mac" asks her to meet on the roof of all places? It was also impractical because there was no reason to think Mac was in any immediate danger (yes Beaver was dangerous but he hadn't hurt Mac in the past and he had no reason at that moment), and even if Mac got the message, she probably wouldn't have the acting ability to get herself away without suspicion. There's also that hotel security she could call.

I feel like they didn't clear up all the mysteries and red herrings like they did last year, but I can't find a specific example. Maybe I just feel that way since the mysteries were kind of disjointed this year and didn't have the same emotional investment.

And the dream was nice but got a little cheesy. Does Veronica think that if she and Wallace were never friends he would not have clear vision or something? Did she give him the inspiration for contacts? I don't know, it was a dream so maybe the glasses are a subconcious symbol of her need to...see? Yeah I don't know.

Ok all the issues are out I think.

I like Duncan again! He wasn't weird and I didn't have a problem with his acting. His ordering a hit on Aaron was also kind of awsome. And of course we all love the CW exchange. I was kind of sad that they killed Aaron because he's such an awsome villan that there was so many plots they could do with him out, but it was still a great scene. Clarence is a BAMF and I never use that term. Hope to see more of him on the 3rd SEASON WOO!

Alicia! I thought you vanished into the air or entered a blackhole! Please come back more.

Hee d**k! I'm kind of interested in what his reaction to Beaver will be. "They're upstiars probably making love, or playing Dungeons and Dragons- or both"

Steve Guttenberg really sold the creepy, still not as awsome as Harry Hamlin though.

Lilly! I miss you! I wish I got HBO to see Amanda Seyfried on her new show.

Aw, Clemmmons. I'm going to miss him. Hopefully there will be a dean at Hearst to replace the void.

Oh Lamb's an a**! That scene with Weevil was awsome and heart breaking. I wonder if they will be able to pin the murder on him. Funny how he went to great lengths so he wasn't the direct murder, and he still got caught. Oh and someone upthread asked if he was dead but he wouldn't have been on the plane. They weren't in his jurisdiction, he just called Keith off of it, but Lamb wasn't on it either, so more Lambness.

I'm assuming that since Kendall is part of the cliffhanger all that stuff with her and the stuff surrounding the Fitzpatricks will be cleared up so yay. And finally her character has been given a point!

I love Mac. It just feels like it needs to be said even though she didn't really do much awsomeness this ep. She kind of makes me miss Meg though since we met both of them in LAV and they were both her first girl friends since her outcast status.

Radnom shallow note: Logan looked very muscley this ep.
PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:44 pm


OK, the fact that Beaver became evil just made me love him more. (But I'm a sucker for a good bad guy) Yeah, he was really twisted, but I think he became that way as a product of how he was treated while he was growing up, which made it that much more sad. The worst is when he committed suicide, walking off the building as if he was strolling in a park, AND of course that means no character resurfacing in the future, just ain't gonna happen after a dive from a 20-story building.
I've been watching some old episodes and those sad, puppy dog eyes of Cassidy's stil tears at the heart strings, which only makes it worse. Yeah, he was evil, but it was a nice surprise since so many fans loved him. It was like Tiny Tim turning into Freddy Kruger...or something like that.

beloved_waters


Breeya

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:56 am


UGH! How fo i even sarta? Oh God i can't even spell. *how can i even start*. Beaver is EVIL. officially deleting all my beav/mac episode clips....ok can't. love mac too much. LOVED THE DREAM. I made a few icons on it. if anyone is intrested pm me. A lilly one (of course), a logan/veronica one and a couple others. ok then there's weevil's arrest...KILL. I HATE LAMB. VERONICA AND LOGAN ARE BAAAACK!!!!!!!!!! YESSSS. *does a little victory dance* What's up with kendall??????? oh and Aaron is dead. YAY. is that psychotic?? heart heart heart
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:18 am


Macaroni_and_Cheese
the plane. They weren't in his jurisdiction, he just called Keith off of it, but Lamb wasn't on it either, so more Lambness.


Yeah Lamb was confirmed as a recurring Season 3 character.

and...
I feel so bad for Mac. crying
She's all up there wondering where her clothes went, thinking he ran off on her, oblivious to what actually happened.

And as stupid as it sounds, and as much as I'm not fond of him...

I really feel bad for d**k.

QuantumRed


Kingdoms Heart

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:38 pm


Lilly Scene - heart

Jackie has a babeh - heart

Veronica/Logan - talk2hand
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:50 pm


ok, yes, i'm posting this a little late after seeing the episode a few months ago and i can't remember much from it but i do remember some things. does anyone else think the writers were on something, making Beaver evil like that? To me it seemed like they were on a deadline and had no ideas for a solution to the mystery then closed their eyes and randomly picked a character out of a hat. because beaver becoming evil seemed abrupt. like there was no lead up cus he's always been so sweet. i loved his character and wish they hadn't done that =(

Ms.Tadakichi


Tsunuffy

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:47 pm


Ms.Tadakichi
ok, yes, i'm posting this a little late after seeing the episode a few months ago and i can't remember much from it but i do remember some things. does anyone else think the writers were on something, making Beaver evil like that? To me it seemed like they were on a deadline and had no ideas for a solution to the mystery then closed their eyes and randomly picked a character out of a hat. because beaver becoming evil seemed abrupt. like there was no lead up cus he's always been so sweet. i loved his character and wish they hadn't done that =(


No, it doesn't seem last minute, per se. But it DOES feel like it was the 'spare ending.' Mystery shows like this sometimes film an alternate ending, in case the original ending is leaked. It goes along with enough clues and explains enough to where it works as an ending, but not the one they originally intended, and there's some schism. Maybe they origianally intended something else, and they decided they liked this person who did it? Though, this season was really disjointed. So who knows?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:39 pm


beloved_waters
OK, the fact that Beaver became evil just made me love him more. (But I'm a sucker for a good bad guy) Yeah, he was really twisted, but I think he became that way as a product of how he was treated while he was growing up, which made it that much more sad. The worst is when he committed suicide, walking off the building as if he was strolling in a park, AND of course that means no character resurfacing in the future, just ain't gonna happen after a dive from a 20-story building.
I've been watching some old episodes and those sad, puppy dog eyes of Cassidy's stil tears at the heart strings, which only makes it worse. Yeah, he was evil, but it was a nice surprise since so many fans loved him. It was like Tiny Tim turning into Freddy Kruger...or something like that.

I couldn't have put it any better myself.
Cassidy was so sweet.
What he said right before his death was just too meaningful not to make you feel bad for him.
 

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:06 pm


I was so shocked! I loved Beaver.They should have made the killer d**k.
I can't believe he actually raped her.And Logan came to her rescue.Wow.
So much happened in that one episode.Its alot to take in.

At least Woody Goodman got what he deserved.

Poor Beaver. crying stare

I liked the whole major plot twist thing.Just like season one.
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